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stickfigure 3 hours ago

> housing (which is a requisite status symbol for dating or marriage

I get that culture is hard to change, but it still seems easier than changing the economics. There are men and women out there who presumably are interested in partnering up; at some point you'd think biology will take over irrespective of which achievements have been unlocked. What's stopping them?

xboxnolifes an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You think status signaling isn't part of biology? That it just happened to independently appear in every human culture and many animals that we are aware of?

lottin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Social status is a big part of what makes a person attractive especially if you're a man.

stickfigure 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Sure, but - by definition - half the population is below average social status. At least here in the US, those people are still partnering up.

spwa4 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh, you forget - we lie about social status, including to ourselves. Women and men. And as for what determines status ... first rule of social interaction: you can't ask a woman her age and you can't ask a man his wage (in other words: humans are social animals and "critical" information is only available through playing the social game of deception)

So in practice 80% or so of the population is below "average social status". People who don't absolutely need to pair up (historically women can't earn, but require, money and men can't take care of a home/place to sleep, but have to), will refuse to pair up with someone below their signaled social status. In other words: there are TWO average social statuses. First, there is what people believe their own social status is. Second there is what people, on average, see as others social status.

In a "natural" human society, it's basically impossible for anyone over 25 or so to "pair up", unless they have a partner, which is not common at all. Since social status ALSO determines the distribution of food, at that point the first real period of weakness (you get sick, you hurt your leg, you ...) is the end. You can delay this by forming cliques, but not by that much.

Oh and of course, that has an analog in our society. Look how much a plumber gets paid (ie. it's pretty disappointing), despite the shortage. There are low status and high status jobs, and even where it doesn't make sense they determine pay. E.g. there are a lot of cities with a total glut of lawyers ... it makes no sense to give 7 figure wages for people when 70% of whom can't find work. By contrast there is an incredible shortage of construction workers, and still they're not paid half of a lawyer.

In other words: I will kill myself rather than admit I'm low social status, even if it would pay well.

Preventing obvious human habits from destroying us seems to me the best reason to really give developing AI your best effort.

numpad0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

System of education? The current form of it have nudges and blockers everywhere to stop population explosion leading us all into Soylent Green type situation.

readthenotes1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought Biology drives coupling, not partnering.

Porn and 4B divert coupling...

mock-possum an hour ago | parent [-]

What’s ‘4B’?

pas 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement