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antonymoose an hour ago

Try raising a classic family of three with a stay at home spouse in that salary in any metro. You will quickly learn how fast those dollars disappear.

Somehow my grandfather did this as a painter.

Inflation is a killer.

xeromal an hour ago | parent [-]

Only if you're trying to keep up with the Joneses.

redwood 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_in_the_Fast_Lane such a classic. And a real lesson in it too

xeromal 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

I've never played this but now I need to

antonymoose an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Nope! We live very conservatively. Turns out life is expensive.

BeetleB 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm guessing you live in a high COL area?

I don't think they're saying $150-300K will be easy, but it should be doable in raising 3 kids if you make sacrifices:

1. Seriously cut down on vacations. As an example, in the first 19 years of my life I slept in a hotel for perhaps 10 nights total (over 3 separate vacations). We did not feel at all deprived. Those who do are definitely "keeping up with the Joneses".

2. Don't buy new (or even recent) cars. Once your kids are old enough to ditch the booster seat, a Camry or Accord sized car is plenty.

3. Eliminate most subscriptions and streaming services.

4. No private schools.

5. Birthday parties for kids: Keep the budget low. It's OK not to offer a meal. Cake and snacks is fine. Limited/no decoration. Just get a good cake and stuff for them to play with.

6. Eat out only on special occasions. When I was a kid, we'd get junk food once a week, and everything else was home cooked. Actual dine-in "proper" restaurants? Perhaps oncea year. Learn recipes that can be cooked quickly.

7. Don't live in SV or Boston.

8. No, you don't need to get furniture for every room in the house (if you have a decent sized house). Have a 5 (or even 10) year plan for adding furniture and other niceties to the house.

9. If the yard is expensive to maintain, stop maintaining it if you can get away with it.

10. Don't pay more than $400 for a phone, and keep it for at least 3 years (my last one was bought for less and lasted 7 years). Only buy used phones.

The part that probably craters all of the above is medical issues (high premiums + deductibles). I offer no solution for you.

(I break a lot of these rules, but I also don't complain - I know where my problem lies).

antonymoose 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

I truly appreciate the thoughtful reply, really - we comply with most of if not all of it.

Unfortunately, the last 10-15 years has truly shifted what was once a low or middle tier CoL area into a higher tier. The Carolina Lowcountry went from hidden gem to a playground for the rich, or as a friend once put it “Antebellum Disneyland.”

I’ve used the example in other areas - my first team lead bought his house at 300k and sold it for over 1M last year. You just can’t compete anymore, I get similar stories from my Nashville and Texas colleagues.

The only winning move is to not play.

redwood 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Keep in mind that there are those for whom conservatively means living with other family members or grandparents etc etc in other words there's immigrants and there's people who grew up in America with certain Suburban expectations. There are always levels. I say this to someone who myself would struggle not living that version of America we imagined when we were growing up. Um but there is a world in which you essentially live tenemens style, it's just something fairly unthinkable... one path could be to change the culture and make this less unappealing

xeromal an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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antonymoose an hour ago | parent [-]

Thank you for the insightful rebuttal!

xeromal an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not a rebuttal. There's no rebuttal to someone's personal story.

antonymoose 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Go pick a metro, find a decent neighborhood, price out a house. Go price out insurance for a family. Go price out a minivan, go price out student loans, groceries, clothes, a cheap vacation for a week a year, car repairs, home repairs… the list goes on.

It’s not a “personal story” - the finances of living are a bitch and my math isn’t magically different, I’m not keeping up with any Jones’.

I have a lesser standard of living than my (single) mother buying a home in the 1980s here in the 2020s.

Offer a real rebuttal or kindly piss off, this isn’t Reddit.

xeromal 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

>Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.