can you support those claims?

TimorousBestie 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It’s the “tractability” part of the ITN framework: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/topics/itn-framework

In practice, it can be used as a fully-general counterargument to supporting most charities, since decisively and completely solving problems in this space is rare. It’s harder to split a problem into component parts than it is to throw up one’s hands and say, “well, this isn’t tractable.”

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yorwba 7 hours ago | parent [-]

"tractability = % of a problem solved / % increase in resources" does not sound like "you have to decisively and completely solve a problem or it's not worth supporting." You can only throw up your hands and say "this isn't tractable" if tractability is 0, i.e. the charity doesn't help at all, no matter how much money you spend on it.

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TimorousBestie 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m describing about how the term is used by EA folks, which may not match its formal definition. (“In practice, it can be used as. . .”)

> You can only throw up your hands and say "this isn't tractable" if tractability is 0, i.e. the charity doesn't help at all, no matter how much money you spend on it.

Even I don’t believe this. You’ve gone too far in the other direction and made tractability a useless metric.

	▲	yorwba 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If tractability could only be used to filter out literally intractable charities, it would indeed not be very useful. But you can also use it to compare different approaches and pick the best ones. Then you don't throw up your hands and say "this isn't tractable" but you throw up your hands and say "why are you wasting money on this when a much more tractable approach exists."

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jandrese 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One has to only look at the actual participants to find ample examples:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQZWMmINqxo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S54GrXDjokg

https://www.thephilosopher1923.org/post/a-mirror-for-tech-br...

https://www.persuasion.community/p/the-problem-with-effectiv...