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adzm 17 hours ago

What alerts are they getting so often anyway? It's a little town of 25k people.

I can understand the benefit of being able to track coming and going and criminal activity etc but there is no oversight and it is already being abused.

Keeping this data within the municipality and requiring bureaucracy to coordinate with others might be the best solution I've heard, since it prevents dragnets and builds in auditing as part of the process.

See also this article about hiding usage of flock https://www.404media.co/do-not-mention-alpr-usage-how-cops-a...

reactordev 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Small towns don't want people spying on them. Small towns also are prime targets for pushing over with your federal approvals to force them into giving you their tax money in the name of "safety". Someone got paid.

ricardobayes 17 hours ago | parent [-]

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AlotOfReading 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Do you have any hard numbers from your community on how many cases had flock as crucial to resolving the case?

When my community banned them, the police were only able to offer a single vehicle theft case as positive evidence, but the data was being sent to police stations and locally unpopular federal agencies clear across the country. We could have spent the municipal budget on giving the victims a new car with far fewer privacy concerns and still saved money.

mlfreeman 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And vehicle theft doesn't even need cameras logging EVERYONE to Flock's databases - just cameras that only report in to the mothership when they see a plate on an internal "most-wanted" list.

Person reports car stolen, cop adds car info to plate reader most wanted list, most wanted list is transmitted to cameras, cameras don't let plate readings leave RAM unless they're 90% or higher confident that it's on the most wanted list.

SoftTalker 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Are the cameras doing the plate recognition and OCR locally? Or (my guess) they are uploading images to a Flock data center where they are processed and then the plate number and location data saved to a database where active search queries are processed?

mlfreeman 12 hours ago | parent [-]

The tech exists to do it on-camera (Ubiquiti among other vendors claims on-camera LPR), but I figure they're doing whatever is most battery-efficient since the ones I've seen all have solar panels.

I do wonder what they do on busy interstates though. Some of the ones I've had to go past would basically be sending a live video feed - LPR matches as text would save a ton of bandwidth and maybe even power compared to a cellular radio always transmitting.

ricardobayes 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For disclosure I'm not in the US and I'm not well versed how things are set up over there. However the cameras seemed to have worked, here: crime has dropped by 10% year on year.

phoghed 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I can’t find any evidence that Spain has deployed Flock or any Flock-like system. Do you have an article? I know they have plate cameras in Europe, but the traditional ANPR systems, speed traps and whatnot, they’ve had everywhere. That’s not the same class of system imo.

pinkyboy 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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dang 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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reactordev 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

sounds like you need to move west of 8-mile...

If you live in a community that can't police, then sure, flock is your answer. Everyone is under surveillance now. Except you are innocent until proven guilty. Video evidence is becoming less and less credible due to AI. It's a slippery slope. I would rather police be trained to look for clues and do actual police work than wait for a "ping" on some automated system that they check from their computer desk.

gs17 16 hours ago | parent [-]

8 Mile is an east-west road. He'd want north of 8-mile. Sorry to nitpick, but it's hard not to being from just north of 8 Mile Road.

reactordev 16 hours ago | parent [-]

I had a 50/50 chance. :)

gs17 16 hours ago | parent [-]

To be fair, 8 Mile's west endpoint is in a decent enough place, so it's not even wrong, really.

DeusExMachina 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wait, aren't they just licence plate readers? How do they help with all these other crimes?

buellerbueller 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What small town is that?

pinkyboy 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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toomuchtodo 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One can easily research if curious and/or interested with a $5 FOIA request using Muckrock if interested. FOIA request templates are available. I see no existing FOIA requests for this jurisdiction within scope of Flock as of this comment.

https://deflock.org/foia

https://www.muckrock.com/search/?q=Winona+Flock