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Mistletoe 5 hours ago

What hardware advances would we need to see for that to happen? It feels like everything in that arena has kind of plateaued.

CircuitSeuss 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of this will come from co-optimizing hardware and low level machine code for this specific use case… something apple is coincidently very good at.

Apple has worked very hard to make unified memory a feasible approach, and the benefits of that are pretty clear in apple silicon- that efficiency not only results in power and therefore thermal gains, but also in a significantly faster full loop per process: or a faster time to token. This is why even their single core mobile chips in the budget line Neo out perform PC processors with several times more threads and RAM[1]. Turns out, unified memory lets you have a whole lot more control over things like RAM bussing and core use for specific workflows.

Speculatively, a unified memory approach could also allow you to more easily integrate things like ReRAM to solve the current memory swapping bottleneck.

Let’s say a friend of mine works hardware at apple and works on exactly this… on device processing is the future I’m betting on.

[1] https://youtu.be/x26A28DoT-w?t=605

bobbylarrybobby 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The models themselves have far from plateaued. Maybe someone finds a way to get a really capable model down to, say, 12GB of ram. Then we'd be in business.

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swiftcoder 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed. We've just seen DeepSeek post-train their ~300 billion parameter flash model to outperform their 1.6 trillion parameter pro model, in the space of a few months. There would seem to still be quite a few opportunities on the table to bring big model smarts down to the smaller models

ethersteeds 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think a major factor is memory bandwidth. Apple has raised it steadily for each M series generation, and that hasn't plateaued.

Nvidia leads in bandwidth and specialized architecture, but local inference takes off when it's usably fast at much lower cost and power consumption.

sudo_cowsay 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It could be on software side too. OpenAI has certainly not plateaued.

harrouet 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I could definitely image Apple embedding a kind of LLM-optimized FPGA: slow to load (update) an LLM, but blazing fast at computing tokens.

Who needs memory when your model is set in silicon ?

KeplerBoy an hour ago | parent [-]

You don't an FPGA if you're taping out your own chips. But that is just a MMA accelerator with decent memory bandwidth. No secret sauce here.