What German political decision back then do you mean that cut off supply via NS1?

freehorse 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Political decisions that lead to that point and geopolitical situation. The russians cut the gas on their terms because it would have happened anyway and they were not stupid. Then somebody else blew the pipe up and the whole discussion conveniently ended. The divestment from russian economy and blocking imports was already established, but germany and others could not phase out the gas that fast.

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RandomLensman 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Still, when did Germany cut off Russian gas back then? I don't think there is particular complexity in the sequence of events back then. Germany back then was not seeking an end to supplies then and there, if I recall correctly.

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uecker 2 hours ago | parent [-]

But it did exactly this. The pipeline was not the only way to import Russian gas.

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RandomLensman an hour ago | parent [-]

What exactly did Germany do when? You mean after a huge supply cut by Russia, Germany moved to reduce/end use of Russian gas?

	▲	uecker 2 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Russia did not completely cut gas exports to Europa, but reduced in substantially, but this was a reaction to sanctions and the decision in Europa to reduce imports from Russia (but more slowly). In fact, Russia still exports to countries in Europa (to be ended in 2027), but Germany stopped gas imports from Russia in September 2022.

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bluGill 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The German political decision to not join with Russia and invade Ukraine (via Poland?).

Just because it was the right decision doesn't mean there are not downsides.

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RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Accepting potential consequences is not the same as oneself cutting things off. Germany did not seek to end supplies then and there.

Edit: there was never any chance of Germany invading Ukraine then/joining Russia on any invasion.

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bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't matter what they wanted to do. What matters is what happened. As a result of their actions they got cut off. If Germany had invaded Ukraine (via Poland?) the gas might still be on. Of course we don't know that because other countries would likely take offense to that action and I'm not willing to predict how the world would change if they had. (I can't even imagine change would cause them to be willing to invade in the first place, much less how everyone else would respond.)

Politics often are about the unintended consequences. Often they are also unforeseen.

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RandomLensman 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Germany joining the Russian invasion was never anything even remotely in the option space at all - utterly inconceivable in 2022. (Not aware of Russia seeking any such support there either.)

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bluGill 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it is clear to everybody that wasn't an possible option.

There are consequences for it that though.

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RandomLensman an hour ago | parent [-]

Sorry, but I think it is absurd to say there was a Russian reaction because Germany did not join their invasion of Ukraine,

	▲	bluGill an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The absurdity is intentional. However it is still correct. If Germany had joined Russia (and got away with it!), there is every reason to think the pipeline would still be flowing.

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inigyou an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably not directly invading, but there was a strong possibility of Germany supporting the Russian invasion, just as they're doing with the invasion of Iran.

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emsign 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That was never considered by anyone in German politics. It's the first time I'm hearing about this here in these posts.

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RandomLensman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There was absolutely no possibility for Germany supporting the Russian invasion.

	▲	inigyou 39 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Well I mean they already did support the invasion for a while by buying their gas.

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igl 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

A strong possibility? Where do you get your news from?

	▲	netsharc 21 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		I think what grandparent is very very fucking poorly trying to say is, Germany/EU could've accepted the "annexation" of Ukraine like it did Crimea in 2014. "Bad Putin! But what can we do."