| ▲ | cyanydeez a day ago |
| optimistic, this requires the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism. |
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| ▲ | ryandvm a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yeah, as Norm Macdonald put it: > “It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” |
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| ▲ | epistasis a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, there will at least be historians in other countries covering the downfall in detail, if there is indeed a bigger downfall than has already happened. Democracies are pretty good at studying the failures of other countries and learning about them. |
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| ▲ | lostlogin a day ago | parent [-] | | ‘and learning about them’ I’m not at all convinced about this part. | | |
| ▲ | EdwardDiego a day ago | parent [-] | | To be fair, they said learning _about_ them, not learning _from_ them. |
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| ▲ | ElProlactin a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Optimistic, this requires a civilization to have a history. |
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| ▲ | gruez a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >the arc of history to bend towards non-fascism. From wikipedia: "Fascism [...] rose to prominence primarily in Europe of the interwar period" So what were humans doing for all the thousands of years after the advent of recorded history but before that? |
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| ▲ | solid_fuel a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fascism always collapses, the question is only how much will remain by the time that occurs. |
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| ▲ | z3c0 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | And whether or not what replaces it is any better. Historically speaking, widespread democracy is still a recent development. | | |
| ▲ | solid_fuel a day ago | parent [-] | | That's always an open question. Fascism does frequently collapse into other authoritarian regimes, too. But fascism itself will always fail. It is a movement motivated by the petty grievances of cowards and fools, and the same hate and violence they project outward always turns inward at the end. | | |
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| ▲ | criddell a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What definition of fascism are you using? Is China fascist? | | |
| ▲ | solid_fuel a day ago | parent | next [-] | | > What definition of fascism are you using? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism > Is China fascist? What a strange and completely irrelevant question. | |
| ▲ | ndsipa_pomu 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | China is also fascist by the usual four measures (cult-like worship, hyper-nationalism, a merciless surveillance apparatus and the glorification of military strength), but that has nothing to do with fascism in the USA. | | |
| ▲ | criddell 14 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was more interested in the claim that fascism always collapses because China feels like a durable counter-example. But if you don't classify China as fascist, it is irrelevant. |
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| ▲ | dgellow a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Fair. Though based on previous experiments fascist regimes aren’t that stable and competent, they have a tendency to self-destruct once they are in power. It’s a sad state of affairs that is considered optimistic |
