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lluisantoni an hour ago

There is something I have been pondering recently. If we compare the cost of AI subscriptions (let's say Claude's 100/month) to a median developer salary (let's say 100k/year to 200k/year), the difference is orders of magnitude. This fills like a gap that needs to close. I suspect llms are too cheap right now but will raise their prices to a point where only big companies will be able to afford subscriptions to use them. I think soon we will see models that are only sold at very high prices.

NoDodgeQuestion an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is something I have been pondering recently. If I compare the cost of a plunger ($23.99 on Amazon) to a median plumber salary ($62,970 per year per BLS), the difference is orders of magnitude. This feels like a gap that needs to close. I suspect plungers are too cheap right now but will raise their prices to a point where only big companies will be able to afford subscriptions to use them. I think soon we will seen plungers that are only sold at very high prices.

KeplerBoy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Open weight models tell a different story. Inference is not that much more expensive than what a 100$ plan would allow and will only get cheaper (for current capability models of course, frontier not so much).

lluisantoni an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also, something else to add. At first I thought no one wants to build data centers in hotter areas in the middle of deserts (many places in the American continent). So nobody would spend money building a data center in the Chihuahuan Desert for instance. However, a game of latencies will either require cover llm access from these areas, or make people move closer to the other data centers. In the former, llm prices will go up; in the latter, there will be a migration towards data centers that increase the price of the areas around.

KeplerBoy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Who cares about a few ms more latency on an LLM API? Maybe for voice, but most other use-cases are quite latency insensitive.

goalieca 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, the customer support use case is already grinding me even worse than offshoring to India.

mythrwy an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

They are building data centers in the Chihuahuan Desert right now. Meta has a huge one planned right outside El Paso.

terabytest an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLMs are not as cheap on enterprise plans.

cracell an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't understand this argument.

Go to OpenRouter and look at all of the unsubsidized providers.

lopis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> 100k/year to 200k/year

Is this range just Silicon Valley or what is this? Even including just Europe, you're looking at a lower bracket of 10k. If you expand to the rest of the world... Or do you think rich cities in the USA, where developers make 100k+ per year, can alone sustain this industry?

ido an hour ago | parent [-]

salary cost to the company is a lot higher than gross salary (which itself is a lot higher than net salary). you can guestimate total salary cost to be about 1.5x gross salary, so for the lower bound: 100k / 1.5 = $66,666.67 = €57,813.34.

€57-114k p.a. is well within the order of magnitude of yearly gross developer salaries in Western Europe (e.g. Germany).