Cutting coffee to just the morning definitely helped me.

My problem now is that if I think of anything vaguely interesting in the evening then my brain refuses to stop thinking about it. That and restless legs.

Evening if my main time for hobby projects so having them lead to disrupted sleep is really annoying. Any tips?

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pilooch 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Daily sports is the way, purges the body, rests the mind.

	▲	speedgoose 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But not too late, otherwise you don’t sleep well.

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bayindirh 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Cutting coffee to just the morning definitely helped me.

I drink half a mug (~200 ml) at ~2PM. I drink black tea rest of the day. Used to drink 2L/day at some point (it was a controlled period which required that).

> My problem now is that if I think of anything vaguely interesting in the evening then my brain refuses to stop thinking about it.

Use a notebook to take notes or ooze it out from your brain and try to learn meditation maybe? I do both, and both helps a lot to me.

Also, if doing exercise is not a very good option, try yoga. Looks serene but makes your body work.

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throwaway89201 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> I drink black tea rest of the day

Black tea contains a considerable amount of caffeine too. Aside from that, I know of two people whose years-long mysterious health effects disappeared (one with stomach troubles and the other with bad muscle cramps) after stopping their all-day >1L black tea consumption. The tannins in tea bind to iron, so it might cause iron deficiency anemia (although studies yield conflicting results), which especially woman are already predisposed to, and for which iron deficiency tests are often calibrated towards men .

	▲	bayindirh 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Let me clarify some of the points you have rightfully brought up. As a disclosure, I hail from Turkey. We consume most tea per capita by a large margin, so we might have adapted to this. I don't know. I'm drinking tea regularly since I'm six, and my family is drinking considerable amount every day, too. Let's start with iron deficiency which is the most widely touted side-effect. Regardless of the amount of the tea, I have never had iron deficiency or low-iron case in my life. On the contrary, I'm a type of person who wears t-shirt all year long, and generally pretty warm all-over. I mean, the room has AC on, and I also add a small desk fan to keep my cool right now. I'm not overweight either. Nobody from my immediate or larger family has low-iron case either (regardless of gender), and we all drink lots of tea, all day long. So there might be some genetics here. Mayo clinic suggests that tea has "half the caffeine" of tea (I brew both) [0], however their effects on my body is wildly different. If I overshoot my daily coffee consumption, my heart rate increases and I feel the usual "tension" from high caffeine consumption. However, drinking ~2L of brewed tea doesn't do anything to me. Does not affect my sleep, anxiety levels or anything. It helps me concentrate, sure, but without all the bad side effects of coffee over-consumption. There's a paper about it, but it's sponsored by Unilever IIRC, so I won't share that. Badly brewed, overly dark or stale black tea brews are not kind to the stomach. That's true. There's a kind of finesse to do it properly. From dosage to waiting times. Even if you do everything right, some people's body doesn't like tea, and that's alright. Cramps? Now I'm hearing it for the first time, but I don't discount or dismiss it. It's just I never heard it from anyone around. So while these effects might be true, these are not universal. I was sipping tea by 11PM yesterday and I was dead asleep at midnight, for example. If I have drank another half mug of coffee, I'd be watching sunrise probably. Addenda: Human body can silently signal what it wants and what it doesn't. Sometimes I automatically stop drinking tea/coffee and switch to water for example. Listening to the body is essential to preserve its balance. Forcing it never ends well. Body is wiser than the mind. [0]: https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-h...

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gentooflux 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Magnesium, L-Theanine, and vitamin d. Make a regular bed time for yourself, and stop looking at screens 30 minutes before that time. Regular is more importantly than early, I.e. 11:30 is passable but only if it's always 11:30.

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geokon 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't have any severe sleep problems, but I can relate to this issue. I find reading fiction helps. It's kind of difficult to dream about an interesting problem or a project, so the way I perceive the problem is that my brain doesn't slip into a narrative free-associative state. But if I can get myself to think about something "dreamable" then it's a different story. A book works b/c you already need to engage your imagination quite a bit as you read anyway

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chedabob 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I always aim to stop doing anything with high cognitive load at least half an hour before getting ready for bed.

Not necessarily no screen time, but coding stops, and the remaining time is spent gaming or watching TV, or I go to bed early and read.

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fredski42 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Reading a dead tree book or using an ereader? I read before sleeping on my iPhone. I just bought an ereader to hopefully avoid this and sleep better.

	▲	chedabob an hour ago \| parent [-]
		E-reader. Went for the latest Kindle Paperwhite as it can adjust the colour temperature as well.

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mightyham 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wake up early and work on hobby projects in the morning. That's what I personally do sometimes.

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chadd 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

magnesium glycinate (and/or a liquid IV or equivalent before bed) helped my restless legs

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esseph 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> That and restless legs.

Magnesium glycinate

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ShinyLeftPad 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Meditate