| ▲ | suslik 2 days ago |
| I see it like this: Me: I'd like to get out here please. Driver: But it can be dangerous... Me: Noted. Good thing that is not your problem. And when I am hit by a camel while departing the bus, that is my problem also.
But of course, most cultures do not support this line of reasoning - you need to be taken care of weather you like it or not. This approach is well tolerated by most people, but saddens and irritates people like me. |
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| ▲ | master-lincoln 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| Don't talk to the bus driver while they are driving is also a rule. > Me: Noted. Good thing that is not your problem. As if... when you get injured while leaving the bus, do you really believe the bus driver would just mind their business? There is another rule that demands you help people in emergency situations |
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| ▲ | willy_k a day ago | parent [-] | | That sounds exhausting. Do things because they’re right or because you want to. Rules are fake (being a little dramatic there, but the point stands - rules create plenty of downside as well, while allowing both people to do the wrong thing with an excuse, and preventing people from doing the right thing without arbitrary consequences that are unrelated to actual outcomes). |
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| ▲ | qlte 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not “needing to be taken care of”, in your scenario when you go the hospital for your camel injuries and use insurance for medical care (even if it’s fully private paying your own premiums), suddenly another party is involved who doesn’t give a shit about what you think and are singularly interested in passing along their expenses to anyone else it will stick. The world is more interconnected and complex then one or two parties engaged in an agreement in complete isolation from everyone else so black and white thinking like that just doesn’t work. |
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| ▲ | karmakurtisaani 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And then you go to the media and file a law suit against the bus company for being reckless. You deny ever asking to get out and say the driver instructed you to get off. You probably wouldn't do this, but the company needs to protect itself against the people who would. |
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| ▲ | capr 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think "Good thing that is not your problem." includes inability to do such a thing. |
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| ▲ | grumbelbart2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This can be out of your control. Your health insurance will ask why that camel hit you, and might sue the bus operator for their damages for letting you out where they should not. |
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| ▲ | suslik 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If your point is that the absurdity goes all the way down, I won't disagree. | | |
| ▲ | mlrtime 2 days ago | parent [-] | | The absurdity [as I see it] is that people like you think you know what is or isn't other peoples problem. You only get to say that when you live on an island. | | |
| ▲ | suslik 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > you think you know what is or isn't other peoples problem. I don’t think that at all. All I said was that if I absolve the driver of whatever responsibility he believes he has for me, then if something happens as I step out, it is indeed should not be his problem, legally speaking. He might not like it, of course - which is not my problem, to be honest. edit: this is all linguistics, however. The initial issue was that the driver is unable to open the door even if we both assess the risk as negligible. Sure, he might not want me to suicide jump from his bus onto a highway - even if I believe I have the theoretical right to do that - but that is not the situation we're in. The point was that I should be able to say it's ok, looks safe, I accept the risk if something happens. | | |
| ▲ | Anamon a day ago | parent [-] | | It's also related to having a social healthcare system. People who keep stepping into traffic and get run over really rack up the hospital bills which, ultimately, are paid by everyone. So the country decided that they need to adopt some measures to keep stupid people from getting hurt. | | |
| ▲ | qlte 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Unless I’m misunderstanding it’s no different with private insurance in the US. If you are injured and the circumstances vaguely resemble any kind of accident (broken bones, concussion, lacerations, etc) a few weeks to months after receiving medical care, you’ll usually receive a letter from the insurer asking for the specific circumstances of the accident including the owner of the property it occurred on and any parties who may have contributed to the accident. That way they can make a claim against someone else’s insurance/sue them/etc to pass along their costs to someone else if possible. So telling someone “no worries man if anything happens it’ll be my fault not yours” before getting hurt isn’t going to stop the insurer from pursuing subrogation/lawsuit if they decide it’s cost effective. |
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| ▲ | anonreplier 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Have you got time to get that in writing with an official witness? |
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| ▲ | master-lincoln 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Has the bus driver time to read this and do the other passengers have the patience needed? Individual solutions make an operation less efficient... |
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| ▲ | ksk23 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| When you enter the bus you kind of have a contract that states they will safely let you out at the designated places.. |
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| ▲ | mlrtime 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The people that think like this are the ones that want to pick and choose what is not other peoples problems. It doesn't work or scale in a society. If everyone gets to arbitrarily choose what is 'not your problem', the everything is everyones problem, or nobody's problem. |
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