| ▲ | rglullis 2 days ago |
| > it would set an example No, it wouldn't. This type of logic only holds if we consider that drivers are automatons who can not analyze risks by themselves. Give the drivers autonomy to judge whether it's safe or not to deviate from the scheduled route. I rather have a driver signaling me "No, I will not open the door now because I don't think it is safe" over "No, I will not open the door now because I can't break the rules". It makes me think of the driver less as a person and more as a brainless cog. |
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| ▲ | master-lincoln 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| You not following rules makes me think less of you as a person. Rules are made so not everybody needs to judge every situation correctly themselves. People might overlook consequences or are not informed enough to make good decisions. |
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| ▲ | rglullis 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > Rules are made so not everybody needs to judge every situation correctly themselves. Rules are not the problem. Trying to apply one set of rules to every context is. > People might overlook consequences or are not informed enough to make good decisions. That happens regardless, so much so that "I was just following orders" defense has been tried many times before and never became morally acceptable. | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | > Rules are not the problem. Trying to apply one set of rules to every context is. Ah, so basically you want more rules. Granular and detailed rules. Maybe you are more German than Germans too? | | |
| ▲ | rglullis a day ago | parent [-] | | > Ah, so basically you want more rules. Cathy Newman, is that you? | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | On a more serious note, if you prefer more flexibility and wildness try Poland. Very culturally similar to Germany but with more lean towards common sense however it is understood in the moment by involved parties. | | |
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| ▲ | capr 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Likewise for you following them blindly. | |
| ▲ | 4gotunameagain a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | There is a problem though. Who sets the rules? Is it guaranteed that the rules are always sane, and for the benefit of society? I think a baseline level of rebelliousness is necessary.
I also think that the German cultural obsession to comply was necessary for the Nazi madness. | | |
| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent [-] | | Nazis were saying "but we were just following orders" and for everyone else it sounded like a stupid excuse, but for Germans that's a strongly culturally rooted watertight argument. Event today. They just now ensured that their rules are better and orders are more thoughtful. That said, I really love how Germany feels when you live there. |
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| ▲ | jyounker 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You need to understand that Germany is not logical. It is systematic. |
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| ▲ | rglullis 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I understand it alright. But understanding it doesn't mean I like it. After 13 years living in Berlin, I've come to terms with the fact that most aspects of German culture are things I need to tolerate, but never embrace. |
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| ▲ | scotty79 a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Give the drivers autonomy to judge whether it's safe or not to deviate from the scheduled route. But they are judging it. And deciding it's not safe. You may not agree but it's their evaluation of their safety. The rules are good for them because they can ensure their safety by obeying the rules. |
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| ▲ | rglullis a day ago | parent [-] | | There is no "decision" being made if your flowchart always says "only stop at designed bus stops". "Judging" something presupposes the ability to override established rules and even reaching different conclusions despite similar precedents. |
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