| ▲ | toshinoriyagi 3 hours ago |
| They've also announced Qwen3.8-27B being released open-weight next week. Qwen3.6-27B is widely regarded as one of the best local models, especially since nothing else comes close to it, that isn't benchmaxxed, without being significantly larger. If 3.8 truly improves upon it that would be awesome. |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Qwen3.6-35B is my daily driver for AI, and what convinced me to cancel my Claude subscription back in April. The Qwen3.6 line is easily the best local model I've tried, and I've tried a lot. I've got it diligently grinding away on my laptop right now, reviewing and fixing some bugs in my F# code. |
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| ▲ | mraza007 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I have been using Qwen3.6-35B-A3B as my daily driver as well and its been phenomenal when it comes to coding | | | |
| ▲ | pettijohn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 35B MoE is certainly a good and fast local model. I find 27B dense to be quite a bit smarter, so I daily drive that. I wish there was a ~100B MoE with maybe 10B active. It would be super smart and fast! | | |
| ▲ | mattnewton 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There was a 3.5 122B 10A release - https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B | | |
| ▲ | kanemcgrath 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I tried it for a bit, and It was not really worth its size. It got swept up in all the other AI news recently, but laguna s 2.1 I think is the best ~100B moe model right now | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I didn't mention it above, but Laguna S is my other favorite model. I use Qwen a lot more, it's smaller and faster, but I like to switch to Laguna when I feel like I need a "heavy hitter" for certain huge or complex tasks. | | |
| ▲ | tommica an hour ago | parent [-] | | What on earth hardwares do you guys have to be able to run 100gb models locally?! That's crazy! I'm here struggling to even get 27b models to run in somewhat usable way | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-] | | Haha I'm on an Mac Studio with an M1 Ultra, 64gb ram. I bought it when it first came out, it just happens to be good for local LLMs. I have to use a smaller quant of Laguna S though (I think 4-bit? Not at my machine to check), as 8-bit and full size definitely don't fit in the 64gb I have. | | |
| ▲ | tommica 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | brb, going to see if 2nd hand mac studios are available! | |
| ▲ | lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, a good rule of thumb is that the weights take up ~100% of the size of the model, so 100B bytes (8-bit quant) would be, well, 100GB and a 4-bit quant would be half that. | | |
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| ▲ | mattnewton an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I agree. 27b dense really did seem like the sweet spot. |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've heard 27B is smarter! I tried it some time ago but couldn't get it working with my oMLX. I need to try it again. | | |
| ▲ | mattnewton an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Honestly the 27b dense one punches way above its weight in a lot of domains, especially coding in my testing, so I think you will probably be disappointed. | |
| ▲ | npodbielski 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | In my case I would say they are comparable but moe models are looping and getting lost a lot more than dense models. On the other hand having 90t/s with any local model is nice and Pi with loop police extension can prevent looping a lot. |
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| ▲ | razster 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I would recommend looking into Ornith1.0 - it's using Qwen3.6 35B-A3B and excels in coding, at least for my coding needs, Python, web-dev, SQL scripting and some C#. Using Pi harness. | |
| ▲ | neumann 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | compared to claude - how 'fast' is it in terms of throughput on your laptop? | | |
| ▲ | Groxx 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | On an 8GB GPU and 32GB laptop: ~5 words/s while running in Qubes via ollama (I don't have an install at the moment that'll tell me tokens/s). Not exactly a highly tuned setup, but it's a ballpark at least :) Tolerable and usable for some things, though thinking makes it take about a minute to reply in many cases. But getting this kind of thing to run on 8GB of VRAM is the main benefit of the mix-of-experts setup: it can do partial GPU loading and get a ton better throughput than a similarly-sized dense model. | |
| ▲ | syntaxing 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I use it with a strix halo server. 35B runs stupidly fast. 27B is about 700 TPS prefill and 30 TPS token generation. Which interestedly is about what Kimi K3 gives me depending on provider. | | |
| ▲ | dionian 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | what hardware do you use or recommend for this? never heard of it until today. | | |
| ▲ | Zetaphor an hour ago | parent [-] | | Strix Halo is the unified memory platform from AMD. Similar to the DGX Spark from NVIDIA or the M series Macs. I personally have the Framework Desktop, but there's also systems from other brands like Bosgame |
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| ▲ | brucehoult 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On my SpacemiT K3 SBC with 32GB RAM (where models run on the eight A100 RISC-V cores with 1024 bit vectors) doing the same task I got 5, 5.8, 6.5 tok/s using gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-QAT-Q4_0.gguf, Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-Q4_K_M.gguf, Qwen3.5-35B-A3B-Q4_K_M.gguf. The corresponding dense models are more in the 2.5-3 tok/s range. Kind of slow, but using only 14W of electricity so the Wh per task is twice as good as using my i9-13900 laptop with 4060 GPU. | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's pretty fast, faster than I could type anyway, but not as fast as Claude of course. My oMLX dashboard says I get about 45 tokens per second from the Qwen model I'm running (I host it on my M1 Mac Studio, not on my laptop). | |
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| ▲ | ufish235 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What laptop? | | |
| ▲ | nozzlegear 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's just a MacBook Air with an M4, cheap and nothing special. I host Qwen on my Mac Studio, an M1 with 64gb ram. The model uses around 20-25gb ram depending on what it's doing. |
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| ▲ | iagooar 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Having invested in a machine with 128GB of RAM, I would love seeing something a bit larger than 27B / 35B, possibly a 54B dense model or 70B MoE would be much closer to the Qwen 3.8 Max experience. |
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| ▲ | icelancer 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is what I've been waiting for. We are still using fine-tuned deployments of Qwen3.6-27B with a lot of success but could use a bump in intelligence. Here's hoping. |
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| ▲ | mathieudombrock 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Qwen 3.6 27b has been the sweet spot for me in terms of local models. I've had good luck using it with Pi harness. Looking forward to this. |
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| ▲ | XCSme 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| If they trained it well, and can do computer use, it will be a new era. Companies can keep PCs, put Qwen 3.8 27b on it and get rid of the employees, lol... |
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