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JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago

Is there a state in which this constitutes fraud?

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ranyume 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There are only two industries left in america.

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zombot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It would have to be state law so the president can't pardon them.

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JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> would have to be state law so the president can't pardon them

Sure. Based on cursory analysis, California (B&P § 17200 + § 17941), New York (§ 63(12)) and New Hampshire (RSA 664:14 / 664:16 + RSA 358-A) seem to be good places to start. Worst case, we get a public record of who paid for what under what pretences.

	▲	defrost an hour ago \| parent [-]
		How's this kind of thing play in the US with free speech, Citizen's United, companies with money can make political statements, etc. What's the actual fraud angle? Non disclosure?

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Teever 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Unfortunately you're not going to see any sort of legal redress against American oligarchs in any sort of American legal venue.

A country like France has shown that they're willing to take no an oligarch[0], and they have the nuclear means to protect themselves from American oligarchs leveraging the American military to punish France for doing so.

This kind of stuff will continue until a country like France forces a jet carrying someone like Musk, Altman, Thiel, or Zuckerberg to land so that they can be arrested, tried, convicted, and forced to spend a few years to decades in a drab little room.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrest_and_indictment_of_Pavel...