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cyanydeez a day ago

The rise of the deluded class who think being rich is more important than any other goal.

charlieyu1 a day ago | parent | next [-]

This is a thing for as long as human civilisation exists.

toasty228 a day ago | parent | next [-]

At what scale thiugh? When I was in school kids wanted to be firefighters or astronauts, now they want to be social media influencers

simmerup a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s not really though. Plenty of classical civilisations saw wealth chasing and work something to be looked down on

DonsDiscountGas 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly zero civilizations large enough to deserve the name had exactly one ideology

charlieyu1 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the old age, having money only without power to protect it was asking for trouble.

nradov a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that why those civilizations ultimately collapsed?

Maxatar 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes that's true, many classical civilizations saw work as a role for slaves. The ideal for classical elites wasn't to work, it was to have enough slaves that you didn't have to work yourself.

Aristotle in particular writes about this in his defense for the institution of slavery.

vanuatu a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

having goals above financial well being is a luxury belief

evanjrowley a day ago | parent [-]

Where did you adopt this perspective? Was it taught at your school or $religion?

Maxatar a day ago | parent | next [-]

I adopted it by growing up poor to immigrant parents who had to work day and night to provide for me the best life they could.

Having goals other than financial well being is a luxury. That doesn't mean it's not attainable or shouldn't be pursued, it just means that as a practical matter one should first get their finances in order, have some means of providing for themselves and their loved ones, and then once that's taken care of they can begin to pursue other meaningful endeavors.

weard_beard a day ago | parent [-]

I told this joke at my father's funeral. He grew up poor but he had a different mindset and I think it speaks to his character and what he instilled in me:

"A successful business man from New York goes on vacation in a Mexican seaside town. He takes a walk down to the beach mid morning and sees a fisherman coming in with his catch. 'Wow, those are some beautiful fish. Tell me, what will you do the rest of the day?'

The fisherman replies, 'I will take my fish to the market, go home and take a nap, have lunch, play with my children for a bit, then go into town and drink wine and play music with my friends, and finally go home in the evening and make love to my wife.'

The business man replies, 'But if you stayed out all day catching fish you could make far more money!'

The fisherman says, 'well, then what?'

'You could buy another boat and hire some of the young men in town to fish for you and then start making an even bigger profit!'

The fisherman says, 'well, then what?'

'You could open a cannery by the dock and process the fish to be packaged and sold to other cities in other markets and make even more money!'

The fisherman says, 'well, then what?'

'You could retire to a small seaside town, do a little fishing in the morning, go home and take a nap, play with your children, play music with your friends, drink some wine, and go home to make love to your wife.'

Maxatar a day ago | parent | next [-]

Yeah it's a nice and pleasant story, assuming you've never actually met or seen the working or living conditions that most of the fisherman in your story actually live in and the terrible toll it takes on their body.

Those fisherman in your story die at a conservative rate of about 30,000 per year [1], and that's just from drowning. There are villages in the very Mexico your joke makes fun of with large populations of paralyzed thirty year olds due to spine injuries or untreatable permanent muscle pain, rates of skin cancer three times higher than indoor workers and eyes wrecked from clouded corneas and cataracts due to years of glare coming off the water.

And that's the physical toll on fishermen, there's also the economic burden of the fact that the guys actually doing the fishing don't own their boats are in an almost perpetual debt to middleman, which is why fisher "men" often also have to include their wives and kids in the occupation to help out... and of course since there's no insurance, if one of them dies the household's income goes to zero that same afternoon.

But yeah man... nice joke... I'm sure it really instilled a great sense of moral character in you.

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03085...

ozozozd 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I furthered the incorrect ethnic origins of the fisherman, but pretty sure that fisherman is from the Mediterranean.

DeluluDon a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's actually a reposted story, it's not original.

weard_beard a day ago | parent | prev [-]

The point of the story is to know the difference between “enough” and a compulsion to achieve that your burden keeps you from enjoying your life.

I hope some day you can appreciate it.

ro_sharp 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This sounds great until a businessman arrives with a trawler, takes all of the fish, and buys all of the land in your town.

ozozozd 13 hours ago | parent [-]

You wildly underestimate the self-preservation instincts of the Mexican fishermen towns.

Unless the businessman arrives with Blackwater, businessman either becomes the fisherman, or fish bait and a warning for future businessmen with similar intentions.

vanuatu 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think a lot of people who grew up in developing countries or low income neighbourhoods adopt this perspective (I did both)

trallnag a day ago | parent | prev [-]

How did you arrive at this conclusion from the article?