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traes 5 hours ago

Every time someone makes a comparison to chess I die inside. Chess is a spectator sport primarily funded by a few eccentric billionaires. Players artificially constrain themselves in timed environments knowing that they will never be able to produce better moves than a smartphone because a select few people find it interesting. Only ~30 top professionals actually make enough money to have a full career playing chess, maybe a few hundred more can sustain a meager lifestyle with coaching gigs. I shudder to imagine what will happen to the tens of thousands of non-Fields medalist caliber mathematicians if math goes the way of chess. Perhaps Terence Tao and a few other famous mathematicians will be funded by Peter Thiel to report on how well humanity can keep up with the machines? How do you expect any mathematician to be optimistic about this comparison.

anematode 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fully agreed. As someone who both loves chess and works on chess engines... these comparisons to chess needs to stop.

energy123 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The distinction is mathematician vs mathematics. Mathematics is going to reach new heights beyond the wildest dreams of contemporary mathematicians. But perhaps without the participation of many paid mathematicians.

ratmice 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Another noteworthy difference is that Stockfish is also gpl.

traes 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If there was any real money in it Stockfish would not be the best chess engine.

ratmice 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Thats not the point, if there were a better proprietary engine stockfish would still be there as a baseline. Anyone can access an engine as good as stockfish to practice against. Are any open models touting mathematical breakthroughs?

traes 3 hours ago | parent [-]

There is money in this, so of course the closed models are far ahead. The open models will likely catch up a bit at some point, just as Stockfish caught up to AlphaZero. That being said, there are already a couple. It seems Deepseek has a claimed proof to the "Ziegler's Cross-Polytope Conjecture" [0], but I can't speak to the significance of the result.

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.31640