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esikich 14 hours ago

"Philosophy is an intrinsically human thing. It has to be."

What is philosophy? Thinking? Reasoning? Thinking about thinking?

You're asserting that only a human brain can think and reason? Surely other animals can as well. Couldn't aliens as well? Why can't this crazy electronic box?

Where do we draw the line? Do dolphins not have internal experiences? Dogs? Cats? Mice? Fish? Worms? Bugs? Amoebas?

We don't even really know what thinking or experience is. You can train a caterpillar to do tricks. That's pattern recognition. You can train a human to spike their heart rate when you get a Teams notification.

I mean, I'm watching an LLM run benchmarks on my caching strategy for a webpage right now. It's certainly doing something.

drekipus 9 hours ago | parent [-]

I suggest you print out this exchange and spend a week away from the computer, then re-read what was printed.

I'm not trying to be rude but I gave you the answers. Alien philosophy is irrelevant to us because we're not aliens. Tree philosophy is irrelevant to us because we're not trees. Dolphin philosophy is irrelevant to us because we're not dolphins, etc.

Everything else you mentioned is "hallucinatory" and you need to probably have a break from screens for a while.

As a legitimate exercise, go ponder the philosophy of a bash script. Think about philosophy of trees in a forest vs trees in a plantation. You'll find it and see how silly you're being

gf000 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> irrelevant to us because we're not

What an unnecessarily dismissive "argument". I'm certainly not a CPU, nor a painting, nor a bird, yet plenty of people find these topics and many others interesting.

crent 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I’d respectfully disagree here. All phenomena are defined not just by what they are but also by what they are not. I can tell something is relatively tall because I can compare its size to something small. In a fully isolated environment with no reference points, the concept of a given object being small or tall is meaningless.

If we apply that same thought process to philosophy and reason, how can you define it without creating boundaries of what it is not?