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Hilliard_Ohiooo 15 hours ago

I bought all new Philip hue bulbs going on 7 or 8 years ago now and not a single one has gone bad. Maybe you're just buying cheap poor quality bulbs?

A 100 out of 100 success rate after 8 years.

_puk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A recent rewire saw the electrician fit LED bulbs throughout the house. Modern fire safe housings etc, plenty of ventilation.

These were not cheap off the shelf bulbs from the local store.

3 in the kitchen went after less than a year.

I contacted the manufacturer directly. Turns out they had a "bad batch". How many bulbs did I fit?

About 50..

A box of 48 bulbs turned up 2 days later.

Not a single other bulb has gone 4 years later.

Not sure what the lesson there is. You win some you lose some? It's not always down to cheap bulbs?

cucumber3732842 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>3 in the kitchen went after less than a year.

Cheap/poor quality LEDs (the only kind I buy) hate high temps. Like really, really really hate it.

I've killed more bulbs near the shower than all other rooms on that floor combined. Meanwhile in the garage/basement the only tube LEDs that I've replaced this decade are the ones in the hot unventilated area away from the door or near hot work.

krackers 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They have become cheaper and cut costs over time. LED bulbs bought around the l-prize time when the technology was new are heavy, you can feel their metal heatsink. New LEDs from the same reputable brand are comparatively cheap.

lelandbatey 14 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep, I have a 15 year old LED lightbulb that's a "60 watt equivalent" and it works great. It was one of the first LED bulbs I bought, and I only bought one because I remember it costing individually about $25, maybe more. It's got a very heavy metal heatsink where nowadays you have just a plastic "neck" of the bulb. It chugs along wonderfully (though the color is noticable a little bit greener than later cheaper bulbs that have better color accuracy).

t0mas88 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same here, around 40 Philips Hue lights, 8 years old. All but one are still working fine. In the broken one the electronics went bad after about 4 years, the light was still working but would occasionally turn off or change color for no reason. Got a new one for free.

InsideOutSanta 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, same. I have probably around 60 Philips Hue bulbs or lamps, I bought the first one over a decade ago, and so far, one lamp has failed (a Signe that has started flickering).

piva00 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same for me, have Philips Hue bulbs for the past 10 years, some 50 of them and only had one failure unrelated to the LEDs themselves.

freediddy 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, I started with Philips Hues but then gave up and migrated to Cree light bulbs with Lutron Casetas because the Hues kept dying. These are over 2 different houses as well. I wonder what is going on if it's just me

shawn_w 15 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The old Cree bulbs that Home Depot used to carry have been great for me. I need to find a new supplier though because the brands they have now are junk that last a year or two if I'm lucky.

Krutonium 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah that is very weird. Personally I even have some LED lights that are going on 15 years old, spent a bit more than I'd like on them at the time, but they were on sale!

sam1714 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Had a ton of issues with the original Cree bulbs. They underglued the glass bulb and it came off with thermal cycling. They also put the LEDs on a metal core PCB they bent into ~10-gon tower. On the bends, the traces apparently would crack which led to overheating and a burn spot.

Cree is now no more; the bulbs are just a brand for FEIT who imports the same unreliable Chinese white-label bulbs.

freediddy 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Which brand do you suggest?

sam1714 15 hours ago | parent [-]

Philips Hue. I've had issues with color ones, the White + Ambience ones are fine. (Makes sense as they omit the color section)

Hue is basically the only bulbs not being sourced from the same couple of white label manufacturers. Philips/Signify's rapidly shrinking line of dumb bulbs are being sourced from there too.

Never buy filament style bulbs. They are universally unreliable because of poor thermals with the emitters.

pkphilip 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The bulbs from about 7 to 10 years ago were far more long lasting than the new ones

longitudinal93 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can second this. Did my whole house in Hue and have only had one failure (early on) in 5 years.

gucci-on-fleek 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I bought all new Philip hue bulbs going on 7 or 8 years ago now and not a single one has gone bad.

I had a bulb go bad once (out of almost 50 bulbs), but I called their support number and they shipped me a new one for free without any hassle.

toasty228 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

2 of the 4 philips hue I bought in 2019 died a few years back, a bulb and a led stripe, I'm not buying expensive ones next time

Twirrim 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I bought a whole bunch of GE LED bulbs figuring big name, probably more reliable. Nope. Diabolically bad. Never again.

NathanielK 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Me too. They were a lovely colour temp and high CRI, really well diffused too. But wow, they died so fast in almost any fixture.

hagbard_c 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Maybe you're just buying cheap poor quality bulbs?

If only that were true. Osram is a well-renowned brand so you'd think their - rather pricey - 'high-wattage' (10W) bulbs meant for outside lights here on the farm would last longer than about a year, all in different armatures, all with plenty of cooling (they're mainly used in autumn/winter/spring when it tends to be rather chilly here in Sweden). You'd think cheap bulbs go bad quickly but the cheap 'Biltema' brand bulbs I bought for some rooms just keep on going without marked loss of output.

All in all the average life time of a LED bulb seems to be around 2-3 years before it either has dimmed so much that it is no longer usable or it has failed outright. There are exceptions like the mentioned cheap bulbs which are still going strong after about 9 years of close to daily use or those Osram bulbs which fail in about a year or less or the (not mentioned) 'fluorescent tube replacement fixtures' which last less than a year before one of the 4 LED segment strips fails due to a failed LED. I repair these by replacing the failed chip, they work for a few months and then the things fail again.

I've used 'efficient' lighting since I bought my first house starting with jam-jar like Philips SL 'bulbs' (compact fluorescent tubes with all the related gizmos packaged in a single replaceable unit) for which I made fixtures out of birch plywood wood, 90° PVC drain pipe bends and E27 sockets because those things were heavy at about 500 grams. None of those SL bulbs had failed when I moved out 6 years later, I still have some somewhere in storage. Later I moved to the lighter PLC version which also tended to last a long time, some of them are still in use here. Then came LED bulbs which were supposed to last for tens of thousands of hours... and I suddenly started to have to think about replacing failed bulbs again.

PinkSheep 13 hours ago | parent [-]

> Osram

Pay attention to the European efficiency rating for LEDs. Anything above B is practically "Dubai LED" class. The common Osram isn't doing good in this category, their LEDs I have seen in retail are rated like E-F.

To reiterate: the article fell short on the point of LED efficiency. LEDs are semiconductors, do you know when the CPU is at peak efficiency? Before it hits the exponential voltage/frequency curve. Low voltage -> cooler LEDs -> more efficient light conversion -> easier to cool -> tens of thousands hours of practical lifespan.

What does it cost? Like less than a dollar in BOM. What does it cost us? Billions in replaced LEDs worldwide and megatonnes of electric waste, because it is not made to last for "objective reasons": lower price tag in storeshelves aka capitalism and oblivious consumers.