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ncr100 3 days ago

Does this move us closer to needing registries of authentic images? (White-listing? Only a partial solution.)

Google's response today, in addition to removing nano banana from Earth, was that people should just use Google's synthID(?) AI detection app, to determine if this is a blacklisted (effectively) image.

Of course that's impractical because a million people could quickly receive the image .. the image would make an impression on them before detection. And, this would also mean that Google's AI detection software needs to be ran by every human for every image that they view, in order to determine if it's valid. So, let's say that's 100 images, so that's a 100 to the millionth power? (Did I really get a CS degree?) I think it's just 100 million visits to Google synthID tool.. lol.

If we go with a white listing approach then we know that we should trust the image. If we go with a blacklisting approach then we only know that we should not trust the image, which we already knew before we ran the tool....

- https://www.digitaldigging.org/p/how-to-plant-a-nuclear-plan... original article is more interesting, also linked in above main article

phillipseamore 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Watermarking is for fools. Those doing the generation and watermarking will control what is perceived as false or true. Watermarks have historically been about proof of ownership or origin. Watermarking fake creations works in reverse, all of a sudden what's void of watermarking is true, but those that control the watermarking can either add them to truths to turn them into fakes or skip watermarking for certain people or organizations, making their fake creations become truths.

xtajv 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I've toyed with the idea of issuing LTE IMEI-like identity numbers for digital cameras (and a LTE IMSI/SIM-like identity number to identify a paying accountholder who wishes to subscribe to an image-creator attestation service).

Each photograph would attach cryptographically-verifiable metadata attesting to both the identity of the camera and the person who owns it. (Say, m="Camera 123 owned by subscriber 456 created a raw 20MP image with sha 0xdeadbeef... at time 2026-01-23 4:56pm" countersigned by both the device and subscriber keys).

Image compression would be an immediate issue. Key lifetime management would be another major issue, as would key revocation behavior. Device manufacturers would take time to buy in and phase in hardware support. Consumers would object to yet another subscription service. Privacy and freedom-of-the-press advocates would probably have something to say about establishing a norm where we doubt the legitimacy of any digital images that refuse to "out" their creator.

And other than those pesky little non-starters, I've yet to find anything wrong with it :'-)

(see also: Schneier's Law)

r721 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Relevant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Credentials

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_Authenticity_Initiativ...

ncr100 2 days ago | parent [-]

Nice.

I see this as A stepping stone to personal digital identity.

ncr100 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very nice. I think this is important work.

I also think we need to consider modulating the meaning .. eg This camera is owned by XYZ person ... Since I think it could be a much more short term ownership.

Ie if I take one of these photographs and then register the media with my identity / private keys then I can assert This Is Mine.

Every media output before and after that from this camera is only circumstantially related to me.

altairprime 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Various digital cameras already support in-camera crypto-signatures created by the sensor package iirc, it’s just not the sort of thing you find in typical consumer hardware. Look into forensics specialty gear perhaps?

justsomehnguy 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

A bad actor takes your camera with all your crypto identity and shoots some illegal pictures or pictures of pictures.

Straight to jail.

altairprime 2 days ago | parent [-]

The proof is of unmodification, not of handler; for that, you want a second sensor in the eyepiece.

justsomehnguy 2 days ago | parent [-]

Yes, exactly.