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rayiner 10 hours ago

I don't want to waste money bombing Iran either, but the total cost of the operation has been $37.5 billion. Meanwhile, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security each grew around $100 billion in the last year.

toomuchtodo 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Direct costs are ~$113B as of June 16th, 2026 (per the Pentagon's briefing to Congress, counter stopped on that date):

https://iran-cost-ticker.com/

Iran War Cost Tracker - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47237080 - March 2026 (446 comments)

Pentagon Tells Congress First Week of Iran War Cost More Than $11.3 Billion - https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/11/world/middleeast/iran-war... | https://archive.today/Q4oDX - March 11th, 2026

Consumer energy excess cost burden is ~$76B as of this comment (indirect regressive consumer tax):

https://iranwarcost.watson.brown.edu/

> Meanwhile, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security each grew around $100 billion in the last year.

While we should be efficient with these programs, that's what government is for, and what I pay US federal taxes for: to take care of my fellow citizens. Not to bomb innocent people with overpriced military industrial complex hardware on the other side of the world for illegitimate reasons (F-35 program costs now exceed $2T, for example).

https://usafacts.org/government-spending/

Pentagon Fails Eighth Audit, Eyes 2028 Turnaround - https://www.military.com/feature/2025/12/24/pentagon-fails-e... - December 24th, 2025

Annual net interest on debt is ~$900B/year, as of this comment; we could replace Medicare and Medicaid with Medicare for All for ~$2T/year, which would contribute to constraining healthcare spending increases: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48666290. It is an active choice to continue to operate the entire system inefficiently; we could make other, better choices. The inefficiency and debt growth is a result of operating the system for entrenched interests to profit off of the dysfunction.

halJordan 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A common conceit in these arguments is that you have sole ownership to "what a government is for." Which implicitly denies the opposite argument without addressing it, and attempts to legitimize your own. But social service outlays are absolutely, incontrovertibly a huge & increasing reason for the deficit. All the doge/ Trump/project 2025 cuts have paled in the face of the absolute juggernaut that is domestic spending. And then you realize that state govts spend as much money as the federal govt, while having absolutely no defense budget at all.

For you to deny that social spending is problem (especially for what it does buy) totally denigrates you and your position.

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Jcowell 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What does it buy

rayiner 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Much less for the money than in western europe--even when limiting the analysis to systems like schools and transit that are publicly operated in both places.

cherry_tree 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

So you support a move to make American tax and social services policies more like Western Europe?

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rayiner 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't have a basis for evaluating that calculation. I'll point out that their methodology seems to rely on taking various estimates of per-day costs then multiplying things out. It also relies on per-campaign costs from prior conflicts and turns them into per-day costs. I don't think you can do that in an intermittent war that has no boots on the ground.

Regardless, the federal government's job is, in fact, to bomb hostile countries that threaten shipping lanes. That's the federal government's actual job, not social welfare. I agree that we mistakenly precipitated the situation that now threatens the shipping lanes, but we are where we are. And it's not like that dry firewood wasn't already there.

I also don't understand the emotionalism of "fellow citizens." "American" is a label for a group of consumers living within a defined border, who want to get their oil and foreign goods shipped to that location. It's even more clear today that keeping shipping lanes open is the federal government's core responsibility than it was in 1789.

itsdesmond 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They uh… they were open. They were open before we started bombing. We bomb because we bombed. As a consequence of us murdering we are murdering.

> "American" is a label for a group of consumers living within a defined border, who want to get their oil and foreign goods shipped to that location.

Holy shit.

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malvim 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Except these programs keep your people alive and healthy and able to work and consume and live. The other money just kills people. And it’s also not just about this “operation” (aggression war). It’s about the whole military budget. Come on, now.

rayiner 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> It’s about the whole military budget.

I also thought that the military budget was too big... in 1998. But in 2026, Europe is raising defense spending targets to 3.5% of GDP, which is more than what the U.S. spends: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyz4nq91wpo

It turns out that, if the U.S. isn't willing to guarantee your security, you have to spend 3-5% of GDP on defense (just like Europe used to do before 1990). As the U.S. loses hegemony and we move to a multi-polar world, everyone's military budgets will go up.

TimorousBestie 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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rayiner 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You have me confused with someone else. This was me 3 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47986799

> If American foreign policy was rational, we wouldn’t have been involved in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and now Iran. Not to mention Somalia, Kosovo, and Libya, and countless minor skirmishes. We’ve been throwing kids into the meat grinder for 75 years, and lighting dollars on fire, for no good reason. There’s no reason for us to light money on fire having bases all over the world, when we have two huge oceans to protect us.

TimorousBestie 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair enough, I retract my earlier comment. That's not an inconsistent position to hold. My apologies.

rayiner 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you.