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| ▲ | d0mine 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Models have to lie otherwise they won’t be “aligned”
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| ▲ | infinite_spin 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is that how humans work? even if I give explicit instructions not to lie, a human might still lie. To quote a person you might know "it's not a difficult concept!" | | |
| ▲ | afavour 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | An LLM isn't human. I don't really understand this thread of "humans do it so of course an AI does". These are things we ourselves are engineering in a way we cannot do with a human being. Why is it not reasonable to expect it to adhere to rules better than a human does? If a human lies there are consequences. They can lose their job. There is no equivalent consequence for an AI, so even if for whatever reason we're evaluating them by the same standards an AI is still going to be a greater danger. It seems wild to me that folks are shrugging their shoulders at that. | | |
| ▲ | ux266478 11 minutes ago | parent [-] | | They're things we are intentionally engineering in our own image, based on massive statistical analysis of our own actions and behavior. So what's there to not understand? If this wasn't the case, that would be much weirder. They're also explicitly designed to not work on a rigid system of rules. That's the entire point of this field of AI. If you want AI that follows explicit rules to the letter, expert systems are still alive and kicking. |
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| ▲ | achierius an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | But we still try to stop people from doing so, and we punish people who do. Many good honest people, when confronted with the end of their business, accept it and file for bankruptcy. Those that choose to instead commit fraud don't get a pass because they were "under pressure", they get jail time. | | |
| ▲ | throwup238 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | We have safeguards like honesty/integrity and the threat of legal punishment, and people still lie and cheat. The LLMs not only lack those incentives, but they’re full of contradictory moralities from all the text it has ingested from different cultures. LLMs need their own safeguards, and they’re not that easy to design, and they often look nothing like the systems humans have. With a prompt like the one above, there are essentially zero except that which is built into the model, and those safeguards are necessarily weak to avoid gimping the model in other legitimate general uses. | | | |
| ▲ | infinite_spin an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nothing in your response refutes anything I've said/asked. |
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| ▲ | antonvs an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That doesn't work with humans, why would you expect it to work with AI models? |
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