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haunter 2 hours ago

I think the mandatory ad break introduced by FIFA at the World Cup was also too much for most football people, not just fans. Changed too much, broke the dynamics, basically the sport became a game of 4 quarters instead of 2 halves. These two things combined together are just over the top and unacceptable (UEFA already said they won't use these mandatory ad breaks anywhere)

This is the closest where I can see a future where we have a rugby union / rugby league like schism.

Oh and guess who is behind the investment group: https://apnews.com/article/world-cup-fifa-investors-kushner-...

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I agree completely with your assessment of the water breaks, but the games were extremely entertaining and I watched as much as I could.

triceratops 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Of all the things wrong with the World Cup, the most inconsequential ones - hydration breaks and the final half-time show - have attracted the most griping.

alberto-m 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Changing the pauses of the game alters the momentum and, as consequence, the results. How is that “inconsequential”? There have been cases of corrupted referees before, but violating the Laws of the Game in plain sight is an unprecedented attack on the sport.

HelloMcFly 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think hydration breaks can be defensible as long as they are a) conditionally triggered by pre-existing criteria that is b) created by an honest assessment of player welfare independent of economic considerations.

I can't say I think the halftime show is a big deal at all though.

jen20 an hour ago | parent [-]

They should also not be used an excuse for teams to be coached as a group.

xmprt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I can agree that it definitely makes it a different game/playstyle but I'm still not sure if it's guaranteed worse. Putting ads during the break is obviously bad and a cash grab but from a gameplay perspective, it's not clear that a short break during the half is necessarily worse.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How does it violate the laws of the game?

Every single break time decision in football is arbitrary already.

nwbt 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Every rule in sports is arbitrary, that's not an argument. If you want to do it properly, ask about the spirit of the game, not the laws - and there's clearly a conflict there.

Bridged7756 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Disrupting the pace of the game twice as many times, oftenly during critical moments is inconsequential to you? You don't sound like quite a sports person.

vehemenz 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

By this reasoning, are regular football fans really "sports people?" They tolerate wildly inconsistent officiating and diving (and other forms of unsportsmanlike conduct) that occur at every level of the game. Disrupting the pace would be the least of my worries.

jotajota24 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't mean to be disrespectful but this is a dumb statement. Do you think splitting each half in 2 quarters doesn't have an impact on how the game is played?

coffeebeqn 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The VAR calls 5 minutes after the fact were the most bothersome thing to me

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Good thing you don’t watch Premier League. The World Cup VAR was snappy in comparison.

gffrd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

… and the 9+’ stoppage for every match.

monegator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

the mandatory ad breaks were usa-level bullshit that never happened before, not even when they were playing in the fucking desert (and that world cup should have been boycotted too, but for different reasons.)

a few years ago when the momentum was moving towards tennis, some european clubs proposed a "super league" comprising of only the elite teams, the purpose was again to maximize ad profits (and i should go back to check who actually proposed it, who they were affiliated with). That time they were suggested not to proceed, or else they would be boycotted from all other events, the players too. That was also a good decision.

football (not handegg) it already corrupt enough as it is, and too much money is flowing into it, it's incredible and heart warming that there is still some dignity left in the associations.

gffrd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the most inconsequential ones

This is like saying “customers aren’t worried enough about the corporate process - they only care about the end product!”

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

There was extensive coverage and discussion of Trump getting the Balogun red card overturned.

triceratops an hour ago | parent [-]

Thank you! An actual problem!

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why would non-fans even care? It was a 3 minute break, non-fans would not have any idea that you were going for 2 halves to 4 "quarters". I think this is the kind of thing purists care about but most people don't, most don't even know it is new.

scbrg 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm most certainly not a football fan, but I definitely know that a match consists of two 45 minute (and then some) halves. It's pretty much equivalent to a non motor enthusiast knowing that there are usually four wheels on a car.

I'd say this is very, very common knowledge in huge parts of the world. It's not something only enthusiasts and purists know.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Sure, but they aren't leaving the field. There are plenty of stoppages in game already which take as much time. In that sense it's nothing new. Do non-fans view it as changing to 4 "quarters"? I'm not sure most people would care. This is what I mean it's the kind of thing that football purists care about but it's a very small thing.

alexanderchr an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The breaks change the game more than you’d think, especially when the coach gets to have a strategy session with the whole team. Completely changed the momentum in several games.

scbrg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't know... I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're from a country where football isn't very popular. I don't think you realize just how many fans there are. How utterly ingrained it is in the culture of many countries. "non-fans" make up a minuscule minority of the population of at least Europe, and as far as I understand it South America and parts of Africa too. Not sure about Asia (varies wildly between countries, I suppose), but according to [0] it's estimated that about 3.5 billion people are considered football fans.

This is certainly something many people I know have cared a lot about - and again, I'm not a football enthusiast myself, but still the vast majority of the people I know are, because, not being one really is an outlier.

[0] https://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/popular-sport/fans....

> There are plenty of stoppages in game already which take as much time.

Well. Not really. And those "stoppages" are part of the game. Actually watching the players quarrel with the referee and whatnot is something football fans want to do. It's not comparable.

gffrd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“I’m not sure what the big deal about tripling the number of tire changes in the race is.”

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rsynnott 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> non-fans would not have any idea that you were going for 2 halves to 4 "quarters"

… By non-fans do you mean people who have literally never heard of football, or something? I’m very far from a fan, no interest at all. But, I mean, I know there are two halves. Everybody knows that.

secretsatan 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think by non fans they just mean americans, it’s almost impossiible to not be aware of the basic rules outside of there.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There still are 2 halves. Framing it as quarters is the entire thing. There are numerous things throughout a game which will cause the game to be paused just as long, which is why there is stoppage time.

hamper653 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There aren’t usually numerous 5-minutes pauses in a football match, no.

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dijksterhuis an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

except during that time players aren’t huddling around the manager and the rest of the coaching staff. all of whom have their ipads out to discuss stats breakdowns and instruct players on changing tactics and strategies.

that’s what effectively made the hydration breaks turn it into a game of four quarters. lost count of the number of times teams completely changed their strategy after the breaks and went on to score goals etc.

you make the players drink the water from the centre of the field with no coaching staff present then it would have less of an impact. but there’s still an impact as all players can huddle together and discuss things together in a way they normally wouldn’t be able to without a severe stoppage ie a delay going on 5-10+ minutes, which is usually rare.

poncho_romero 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would anyone be in favour of more ad breaks?

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not arguing for ad breaks, I'm saying non-fans would not even be aware this is something new.

This is the thing that is too much? I just don't get it. The entire thing is a spectacle to sell ads.

DrSiemer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Europe is full of people who are not fans, but will still hear all about the games when their country plays, because it's basically impossible to avoid. Chat groups, work banter, waiting rooms, everybody will be talking about it ALL THE TIME. There is a base level of knowledge for the sport everybody shares. Maybe it's the same with American Football in the US? As a European, I still have no idea what that is even remotely about.

A game having two main uninterrupted halves is one of those foundational facts. Players train for being able to play for that long without getting too thirsty to continue.

ahartmetz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In almost every part of the world, all people know some basic things about football (and I do mean the one where you kick a ball with the foot), like it has two halves of 45 minutes.

charlieyu1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On the other hand, it gives a chance for fans to turn off the TV when the game isn’t great

monkey_monkey 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No one really gives a shit what Americans who don't follow football think, though.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The original post mentioned people that weren't fans, though. Who are we talking about that are "football people" but not fans. I'm not trying to be dense, I just don't know which audience this is.

Fargren 2 hours ago | parent [-]

USA is the exception here. In most countries, even people who are not football fans are pretty aware of how it works.

I don't often watch football outside the world cup. I don't support any teams. But I know how football is meant to be played, and I was definitely annoyed about the hydration breaks.

Does USA have people that don't follow american football but will watch the Superbowl? Would those people notice if there were three times as many breaks as usual?

ChickeNES an hour ago | parent [-]

> Does USA have people that don't follow american football but will watch the Superbowl? Would those people notice if there were three times as many breaks as usual?

Well...many if not most of the people who don't follow NFL and watch the Super Bowl are watching it for the half time show and ads, so more breaks would make them happy, heh.

hamper653 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Most football non-fans absolutely know that a football match is supposed to be two halves.

orangedog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It's still two halves there is just another short stoppage time in which players stay on the field, the same as every foul, goal, and variety of other timing based decisions in football.

hamper653 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I wouldn’t know, I haven’t watched a single football match since 2018. As for short stoppage time, football use to have much less than, say, rugby. Was it different this year?

jen20 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This would only be true if they did not allow the hydration breaks to be used as a group coaching opportunity.