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0x_rs 3 days ago

Europe (and the world at large, really) can either wait for its demise, through increasingly oppressive climate hostile to human occupation and de-industrialization while the rest of the world continues on the current trajectory, or start getting its shit together and immediately commence climate engineering on a continental scale. Start with stratospheric aerosol injection, and mandate it not unlike "sustainable" aviation fuels on aircraft flying at the minimum altitude required to have any effect, as it should be possible [0], expedite research into other climate engineering efforts including space-based ones, promptly address the complete and utter reliance on fossil fuels and those profiting from it.. if climate change isn't something worth approaching as a war would be, then there's no point discussing it at all. Researchers and journals have been warning of crossing the point of no return and temperature targets for years now, you either submit to it and keep chasing emission reduction targets, or take action. The idea of simply "adapting to it getting worse" is suicidal, hard to sell to the public and depends on bureaucrats not getting kicked out.

0. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/202...

toasty228 2 days ago | parent [-]

We can't trust them for asbestos and leaded gas but we'll trust them with "stratospheric aerosol injection"...

God know what unknown complex system will fuck up and end up making things 10x worse. We'll do literally everything besides consuming and producing less

0x_rs 2 days ago | parent [-]

Neither of those two have anything to do with the suggested technique(s). Humans are already engaging in climate engineering through existing at any meaningful rhythm necessary to sustain 8 billion people on the planet, it's merely by side-effect, aimless, and lacking any coordination and agency. You are not getting billions of people to "consume" and "produce" less. What you're engaging in right now is no different from what oil companies did decades ago in a coordinated effort, shifting blame onto the consumers, and ultimately the swindling of the century when it comes to environmentalism, see [0] for a quick example. You're free to succumb through inaction, the rest of us would rather not, and never depend on failing, moving emission targets dependent on the whims of politicians and the masses electing them, proven to be incapable of entertaining any abstract long-term planning, let alone sticking to it. It's unfathomable some would prefer entertaining the idea of humanity fundamentally altering its nature rather than actively making up for the effects they are influencing while addressing them, through technology available today, but you must've already given up to believe this is "the new normal" like you said.

0. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/897692090/how-big-oil-misled-...