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nancyminusone 3 days ago

In some ways I wonder if these timescales are "beyond comprehension" for most people. You can tell people the temperature will go up in 20 years, but you can't make them feel what it will be like. In the same way you can tell a 10 year old what it's like to be age 35 but they don't get it, and I've heard what it's like to be age 80 but I don't really know and won't for some time.

magicalhippo 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> You can tell people the temperature will go up in 20 years

I think the biggest issue with the climate change communication is that the scientists decided to focus on a temperature delta.

There is no meaningful temperature delta, it's just something that you get after a lot of aggregation and averaging.

Sure it makes sense for scientists running their models and such, but it should never have been the primary communication tool to politicians and laymen.

I think it would have been significantly better if they invented some new scale, like the Richter scale or the hurricane severity scale, which instead incorporates the effects of the average temperature rising. A scale which directly communicates a sense of how many more fires will we see per year, how many more severe storms, flash floods etc.

cbg0 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think we've gotten to the point where the question can be asked looking back, not forward: think back to your childhood and how much things have changed since then? If you've lived long enough you can notice these things.

I used to have snow for weeks each winter in my city and now if I get 2-3 days of snow a year it's unusual. Extreme weather events where it rains in one day as much as in one month have become a recurring event to the point we're re-planning sewage systems around these things.

ifwinterco 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Arguably it's rational (though selfish) to think like this.

Life is short, there's no point freezing and living off leaves for the next few decades when you'll be old in the blink of an eye anyway

palata 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Arguably it's rational (though selfish) to think like this.

Is it? We are not talking about screwing the climate for the people who will come in 200 years, right? In the last decades we have been saying "if we don't change the trend, your children will most likely die because of the climate change".

Is it rational to be 30 and not care about the fact that we will be screwed long before we reach the age of retirement?

dfxm12 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Setting aside the fact that I want to leave things in a good place for my kids, neighbors' kids, nieces, nephews and all their friends...

Setting aside the fact that even if I was so selfish to care about my personal legacy, I'd want the world around long enough to learn about it...

there's no point freezing and living off leaves for the next few decades

I don't think the ask here is so unreasonable. It's disingenuous to frame it this way.