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tossandthrow 8 hours ago

> The human who had their eyes and hands on the code has accountability.

They are not.

You can not go go back to a laid off person / one who quit and keep them accountable.

So this is absolutely not the case.

Devs are not accountable for their code.

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EvanAnderson 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You're being reductive or just obtuse.

The company that employed the developer ultimately holds the accountability in the marketplace. The employed developer maintains (or loses) their job because of their accountability to their code (or, at least, they should). There's an economic incentive for all parties involved.

In the free/open-source world the incentives aren't economic, but they're still there.

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tossandthrow 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> You're being reductive or just obtuse.

> or, at least, they should

Seems like you are the obtuse one here, and you appear to know it.

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EvanAnderson 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't get how saying companies should hold their employees accountable, which doesn't always happen, is somehow obtuse.

I give up. I feel like you're a robot designed to waste my time.

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tossandthrow 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair enough, that's on you.

You are talking from an ideal point of view. You want the companies to hold employees responsible.

But that is is not how it work. Why you appear obtuse.

Eg. Look at th3 therac25 case. No developers was held accountable.

We have spend more than a decade remove accountability from indiviauls. Using limited liability, insurance, and workers protection.

Accountability is the last reason why we need humans over agents.

	▲	EvanAnderson 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sorry for the exasperation. At the start of this you said: "For 99.999% of people, it is literally kthxbye on all code they execute on all their devices." I think that's inaccurate. The vast majority of code running on "all their devices" is code made by employees of companies being held accountable through traditional industry methods, or free.open source projects where reputational integrity was at stake. Those developers have been held accountable, for some value of accountable. Maybe there's less value in human accountability than I think there is. Only time will tell. That's a different conversation. The code running "for 99.999% of people" is not "literally kthxbye" LLM-generated code without someone behind it holding accountability. Maybe it will be in the future, but it's not now.