| ▲ | Sam Altman is now talking to the White House about decelerating AI(twitter.com) |
| 44 points by abhishekdev a day ago | 47 comments |
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| ▲ | xscott a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I doubt he plans to convince Xi Jinping to decelerate too, so really this is talking to the Whitehouse about banning Chinese models. |
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| ▲ | TitaRusell a day ago | parent [-] | | AI is the only thing America has left China is still making stuff. |
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| ▲ | eqvinox a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nah, he's talking about accelerating his net worth, it just happens to be that right now slowing AI might do that. Especially if it affects his competition. |
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| ▲ | hollerith 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | Maybe this is part of some complicated plan to increase his net worth or maybe he's worried that the AI juggernaut will get him killed (along with everyone else) if it keeps going the way it has been. I know I'm worried. | | |
| ▲ | bigbadfeline 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | > AI juggernaut Ah, the spherical cow in vacuum at the event horizon is a scary sight indeed, everybody should be worried, the more the merrier. |
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| ▲ | e40 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Losing the race? Get your political buddies to help “level” the playing field! |
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| ▲ | thijson 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm sensing a pattern here. Weren't foreign made grid tied inverters just banned? | |
| ▲ | one33seven a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | free market ;) | | |
| ▲ | doubled112 a day ago | parent [-] | | You and competitors are free to ask the White House for help. The White House is free to say “no”. Look at all that freedom! | | |
| ▲ | one33seven a day ago | parent | next [-] | | And I'm free of means of production too, so I am free to starve or sell my labor force! So much freedom! | |
| ▲ | bediger4000 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The White House is also free to say "what's in it for us?" Or "yes, if this crypto wallet receives value regularly". Look at that mercantilism! | |
| ▲ | atif089 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | The White House is free to say “no” (to some of you) FTFY |
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| ▲ | wao0uuno a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “Oh no AI is totally getting too powerful! White House must intervene! …pls invest more money” |
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| ▲ | reverius42 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You'd think one of the first things the AI would do once it truly gets that powerful is make a lot more money for its owner. | | |
| ▲ | 220hertz 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think Asimov wrote a short story about that in one of his earlier collections. Can't remember if it was a Multivac story or not. |
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| ▲ | _davide_ a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | pls..? more like `if you don't we'll all die, so do it` | | |
| ▲ | owebmaster a day ago | parent [-] | | > if you don't we'll all die, so do it That's please in Epsteinglish |
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| ▲ | ptx a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is the guy, if I'm not mistaken, who was fired for telling different groups people different and contradictory lies depending on what he needed them to believe. And now he's telling a reporter about what he's been telling the whitehouse, so he could be lying to the reporter, lying to the whitehouse or lying to both. |
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| ▲ | abhishekdev a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not sure how much I trust AI labs to do the right thing. |
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| ▲ | ahartmetz a day ago | parent | next [-] | | You can trust Sam Altman 110% to do the right thing for his own money and power. | |
| ▲ | mithilasadu a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Absolutely not. But I think it’s fair to assume they want themselves and their loved ones to survive. | | |
| ▲ | puelocesar 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Unless you plan in start being his loved one, I don't see how much this improves things. | |
| ▲ | one33seven a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes but only those, not the whole of humanity | |
| ▲ | pjc50 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They're very bad at buying "pitchfork insurance" if so. | |
| ▲ | ben_w a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Most of them sure (even if they don't, most at least outwardly present as so), but Musk seems to be a bit not even that these days: Elon Musk
Yeah, I mean, yes, pretty much. Let's, let's enjoy the ride. I think my philosophy at this point because I mean honestly there seems to be just an inexorable progress here in Al and, and in robots that even if I wanted to stop it, and I don't, I couldn't.
Zanny Minton Beddoes
Do you think there's still a 10 to 20% chance that killer robots mean the end of humanity?
That's a high P doom, as they say.
- https://elonmuskarchive.org/video/economist-elon-musk-2026-0... | | |
| ▲ | eqvinox a day ago | parent [-] | | Arguably, being a billionaire and being a compassionate human being are mutually exclusive. You'd spend your wealth and not be a billionaire anymore. The only question is how much of a grey zone is there between these 2 points. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w a day ago | parent [-] | | Everyone's somewhere in the grey zone, even the beatified within Catholicism are imperfect mere mortals by Catholic standards. Philanthropy is always hard to place exactly. When you're a normal person, it's just how much money you can give to charity; when you're rich, you have to ask questions like "will my donation break something?" (Mansa Musa) or "is it better to spend all of my money at a shot to eliminate some problem forever, or put all the money in a charitable trust which pays out the dividends it earns each year forever, without ever fully fixing it but always at least helping?" (how is the Gates foundation doing with all the recent stuff about the guy himself?) I think Richard Branson is generally considered to be a decent person? | | |
| ▲ | eqvinox 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh no, if only you could pay someone to figure out ethics concerns for you… maybe if universities offered majoring in Philosophy or Ethics? (Richard Branson is "only" worth about $3B btw) | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | People indeed do so. However, that leads to a lot of suspicion that they're paying someone to philanthro-wash whatever they wanted to do anyway. > (Richard Branson is "only" worth about $3B btw) Yes? And? | | |
| ▲ | eqvinox 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | > > (Richard Branson is "only" worth about $3B btw) > Yes? And? And if that's how far down the list one needs to go to find a billionaire of good repute, that's not a good sign for billionaires. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's not meant to be an exclusive list, he was just the most famous billionaire in the UK (where I grew up) while I was growing up. If I look at e.g. this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World's_Billionaires_2015 (chosen because it's the most recent one on Wikipedia that's not summarised to a top 10), most of those people I've never heard of and know nothing about. I recognise perhaps a fifth of the names, know little about even most of the names I do recognise, and and that includes the ones (Musk, Bezos, Murdoch, Zuckerberg, the Koch brothers, and Ellison) who are infamously colossal dicks. Richard Branson, in the UK, is mostly known for being a serial entrepreneur and using the word "Virgin" in all brands even where this is silly (Virgin Maternity Wards, Virgin Brides). |
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| ▲ | jrm4 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, I'm 100% about how much I trust AI labs to do the right thing, which is never. |
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| ▲ | SockThief a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://nitter.net/AISafetyMemes/status/2082569026929394008#... |
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| ▲ | jjkaczor 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ah - the "pull the ladder up after you" strategy. |
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| ▲ | Havoc a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That can’t be good. |
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| ▲ | bravetraveler a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| ... and guarantee the bogeyman is going to kick our puppies, or whatever? Hah! |
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| ▲ | vithlani 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | Diogenesian a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't think open-weight models are what motivated these specific comments. It's a way of deflecting OpenAI's failure with HuggingFace/etc as a natural consequence of powerful AI instead of a specific problem with OpenAI's recklessness. |
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| ▲ | HarHarVeryFunny 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How can it be about anything other than China / open weights ? If OpenAI wanted to slow down their own research and/or releases they could do that without the government telling them to do that. If Anthropic and OpenAI both genuinely want deceleration, then just make a joint agreement to pause releases and stop trying to front-run the race. You can't simultaneously claim China is only somewhat keeping up by "distilling" your models, and not acknowledge that therefore it's your models, not China's, that is dangerously accelerating frontier capabilities. US AI companies "help, we're destroying society - please stop us". | | |
| ▲ | fwlr 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | If OpenAI wanted to slow down their own research and/or releases they could do that without the government telling them to do that.
If Anthropic and OpenAI both genuinely want deceleration, then just make a joint agreement to pause releases and stop trying to front-run the race.
No, in point of fact, they can not do this. To do so would be a breach of fiduciary duty to their shareholders and investors, exposing them to severe personal liability and in some jurisdictions also jail time. | | |
| ▲ | HarHarVeryFunny 20 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1) If the AI companies act in reckless fashion and cause economic harm they may be facing class-action lawsuits, and maybe jail time for key individuals who knew the risk. 2) Your argument is like saying that a car company that wants to push back the delivery date to make the car safe could be sued by investors for not rushing it out the door. 3) They can cancel acceleration and borrowing plans. | |
| ▲ | greggoB 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > To do so would be a breach of fiduciary duty Is openAI not technically still a nonprofit? In any case, this argument doesn't make sense, it's like saying Boeing didn't have a choice wrt the 737 Max because had they waited, they would have been in breach of their fiduciary duty. | | |
| ▲ | jibal 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | OpenAI and Anthropic are Public Benefit Corporations ... the GP is completely wrong. |
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| ▲ | jibal 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is completely wrong. OpenAI's governing charter explicitly prioritizes safety and benefit to humanity over profit, speed, or market dominance, and commits the organization to doing the very things you are saying they can't. And Anthropic is incorporated as a Delaware Public Benefit Corporation. Also, the Business Judgment Rule allows wide discretion in selecting strategy. Finally, jail time requires criminal violations such as fraud. | |
| ▲ | watwut 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > To do so would be a breach of fiduciary duty to their shareholders and investors, exposing them to severe personal liability and in some jurisdictions also jail time. This is not true. | |
| ▲ | ofjcihen 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “I can’t stop doing x because I got myself into x and if I quit doing the x I agreed to do despite my apprehension about x then I could go to jail. But guys we should really slow down doing x.” Unless the only thing he’s asking for is for his own company to be nationalized then at this point he’s saying one thing and meaning another. |
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| ▲ | jrm4 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the words of the meme, "why not both?" |
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