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The Productivity Mirage(frantic.im)
94 points by msephton 5 hours ago | 24 comments
marcus_holmes a minute ago | parent | next [-]

This is so important. I've seen so many fellow technologists (and I've skated this myself) obsess about their setup to the point that they're spending more time on that than the actual thing they're building.

The whole "90% of my time as a coder is spent typing, so I should optimise my ability to type fast" is so, well, wrong. 90% of our time should be spent thinking, and most of that reading.

YouWhy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The OP implicitly raises the question of why does "productivity" exist. I've been giving that some thought lately, and the hypothesis I arrived at was that of diminishing suffering.

Many types of performance optimization work, including "programmer productivity" are really the engineer's getaway from having to contend with the ambiguity of the problem domain, the politics, the vagueness, the risk of failure and other kinds of suffering.

Alas, solving a problem coming from the world requires confronting the world - a couple of examples are the tedium of mentally working through a user workflow, getting somebody else to cooperate by articulating and proposing a joint strategy and more.

I do not believe in pain for pain's sake, but good delivery has an inherent quality of athleticism, and one cannot be an athlete without accepting that training for the track means proficiency at managing pain - and at the track rather than elsewhere.

4m1rk 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not about productivity, it's about having fun with your toys.

raincole 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The best artist I talked to in-person still uses Photoshop CS6. (And a Wacom without a display).

kfse 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I bet you Bob was great at launching new concepts but that taking oncall responsibility for crusty old code that he didn't personally write wasn't for him...

asp_hornet 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

Thats unfair. There is no way to say either way from the article.

firasd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been thinking of the term ‘gearhead’ lately. Everyone saying bro put this skill in your agent harness to change everything is significantly motivated by the same urge as the person in the car mod culture tweaking their exhaust system etc

The hobbyist tinkering with the programming setup has its benefits (enjoyment) but it’s a mistake to think it matters at all to the end user or indeed — as this post argues — to actual quality and quantity of work when compared to the benefits of actually thinking about the product and the code

volkk 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> motivated by the same urge as the person in the car mod culture tweaking their exhaust system etc

to be fair, the car mod people's end goal is just modding their cars mostly. there's no end goal like there is with software (a product).

I think people just get preoccupied with things that make them feel good and are simple and have immediate feedback. Not to be pedantic, but I would argue the more accurate analogy to this is the photography community. I had a period where I was really obsessed with photography and realized the majority of people love just...buying shit. All they did was just collect cameras and lenses and took extremely mediocre pictures. Turns out actual creativity is a lot harder and less immediately satisfying than the dopamine hit of buying some new lens, or changing your vim colorscheme and updating some alias for the 100th time. I'm sure there's some psychology behind people being too afraid to actually produce something because then they actually put themselves out there whether that's through some website or a photograph.

grvdrm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m not an engineer (by trade) so I am not as deep as many of you in the tooling.

But this article mirrors my thinking on every new notes app, or new “second brain,” or somehow new or better version of Jira, etc. There are real productivity gains and losses and a lot of theatrics.

codethief 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> better version of Jira

Nah, man. I would be a LOT more productive if I didn't have to wait all day for Jira tickets to load every single time, or that dropdown to load, or that popover to show, …

grvdrm 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That’s fair and I’m not saying there isn’t room for improvement. It’s a more general feeling - JIRA just being one example that I hear people hate (and try to make better). My gut in using or looking at JIRA told me the biggest problem was organization within JIRA and sticking to that system.

sublinear 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Just whatever you do, don't open the network tab in your browser devtools.

mpdpsycho 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh, I think the urge is similar but maybe the rationality a bit less. i.e. there is some measurable increase in… whatever you’re trying to maximize with a car mod, volume or performance or whatnot. It’s more opaque with these harness optimizations and tools.

To be fair I mess with “how” I use or orchestrate the harness myself, I still can’t say anything I do that benefits me is more than placebo. At least from my projects. I think it matters easily for the things that can be patched like Context7 helping with API knowledge, and less for those that can’t like whatever “prompting style” attempts to address.

Maybe for those, you can say it matters in making agent use more subjectively ergonomic? So less of a correctness thing and more of reducing fatigue.

kelvinjps10 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those features are the only I find useful in facebook, fb marketplace and local groups for buying or selling stuffs or services.

readthenotes1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think this is something almost straight out of Fred Brooks mythical Man month set of essays, from observations in the 1960s.

Iirc, one of the essays had the moral " many software developers would rather work on the infrastructure to solve the problem than actually solve the problem"

Sharlin 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

More people want to write game engines than actual games.

smitty1e 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah, yes, the difference between the tool and the wielder is an old observation:

"If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct." (Eccl10:10)

blizdiddy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It sucks how much of the world is built by people who glorify putting in 6 days and 4 nights a week, then put that effort towards stuff like Facebook. It’s so uncool to be critical thinking at all with these types. Accept the mission statement at face value and get paid.

amazingamazing 3 hours ago | parent [-]

as opposed to posting comments on forums in the evening for free? at least facebook groups is impactful one way or another.

nsoonhui 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not entirely what's the point of the article is, because with AI I can clear my backlogs way faster than without it.

How is this *not* real productivity gain?

raincole 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Note entirely what's the point of your comment, but AI bros have the reputation of making every discussion about AI.

owebmaster 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did your AI post this comment? It seems to be getting downvoted so I'm wondering if the productivity is positive in this case or negative? The same happens with AI clearing your backlog

Grombobulous 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nah the AI would have used proper grammar.

skydhash 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The quickest way to clear your backlog is deleting them. /s