| ▲ | ck2 an hour ago |
| in the US it protects the corporations so they don't have to pay a living wage * https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/07/22/amazon-gi... |
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| ▲ | amazingamazing an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Given that you cannot force someone to hire anyone at a given wage what is the solution? At best all you can say is that if you decide to hire, it cannot be lower than some minimum, but often this results in no job at all. |
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| ▲ | ifwinterco an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This is what happened in the UK but not immediately, it’s only in the current government where the minimum wage (especially for young people) got hiked massively in the context of a weak overall economy that the effect on job creation became obvious. Now it’s quite bad though, a whole generation of 16-20 year olds entering the job market and there’s just no jobs because you can hire a 30 year old for the same money | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The actual problem in the US is housing costs, but most people are around social media knowledge level in this area, and just blame the first thing in front of them. Raising wages will do nothing to lower housing costs, which eat the largest chunk of everyone's pay. | |
| ▲ | michael1999 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your "often" is not borne out by actual econometric studies. The actual rate of minimum wage that produces dead-weight loss is much higher than most minimum wages in the USA. In any market, there is wide range of possible clearing prices with cost of production as a floor, and marginal value as a ceiling. Which price the market settles on is often a function of bargaining power as much as productivity. Minimum wage regulation is a heavy-handed way to change that bargaining relationship. | | |
| ▲ | amazingamazing 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Hmm? Outsourcing is the clear counter example. Or do you think it is a coincidence that no outsourced job is more expensive than hiring Americans. |
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| ▲ | ben_w an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | While true when minimum
is set too high, the level it is set to generally takes this into account so that "too high" is not reached over the entire jobs market. | |
| ▲ | autoexec an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > At best all you can say is that if you decide to hire, it cannot be lower than some minimum That's pretty reasonable. Nobody should be working 40 hours a week at a job and not make enough to support themselves. Any company who can't afford to pay their employees at least that much is a failure who deserves to be out of business. | | |
| ▲ | SubmarineClub an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Nobody should be working 40 hours a week at a job and not make enough to support themselves. So it’s better that they don’t get hired at all and live entirely off support of the (forced) largesse of the tax payer? As one of those tax payers I’d much rather they work and earn at least something. | | |
| ▲ | autoexec 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's a false dichotomy. Those workers can get hired by a competent business who can afford to pay a living wage and doesn't need the government to subsidize their labor expenses. |
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| ▲ | johnvanommen 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Given that you cannot force someone to hire anyone at a given wage what is the solution? The author writes for Jacobin, which promotes a failed ideology where you CAN force people to “hire anyone at a given wage.” It’s an advertisement for a failed ideology. |
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| ▲ | 3748949494 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is that why wages in the US are double those in europe or more |
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| ▲ | autoexec an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's because the most massive costs an American has like healthcare, child care, and higher education are free or vastly less expensive in Europe. Americans spend all their time at work for a very impressive number on their paystub while they're still one accident or illness away from homelessness or bankruptcy. Europeans get higher quality of life/happiness scores and spend far less time slaving away for their boss. Just because the number on your paycheck is bigger, it doesn't mean you're winning. | | |
| ▲ | strictnein 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | > higher education are free Many of the states[0] have started offering free or low cost tuition for their public community colleges and trade schools, and low cost tuition for their colleges and universities. For example, Minnesota offers tuition at a state college starting at $6k a year[0] and free tuition at community colleges if you're earning under $80k[1]. Those prices are before financial aid, grants, scholarships, etc which are widely available from multiple sources. [0] https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/states-with-free-tuition/ [1] https://www.minnstate.edu/admissions/affordability.html [2] https://www.nhcc.edu/free-college-tuition-nhcc As for the rest of your comment, you have a very distorted of what life in the US is like. Also, nothing you list is "free" in Europe, there's just a lot of rather regressive taxes that are collected to pay for it all. The US federal tax structure is actually rather progressive, but that also means there's less money for the feds to pay for all of those "free" things. | |
| ▲ | cwbuilds an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not sure we do have better quality of life in Europe. We may have in the 2000s, but we're in decline relative to the US. Even if you take things like healthcare into account: US average disposable income is $67,000, while it's $32,000 in the UK (with higher rents in the UK than the US). | | |
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| ▲ | fhdkweig 11 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not at Walmart. They want their employees to get on government assistance to justify paying them less. https://factually.co/fact-checks/business/walmart-workers-go... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/walmart-and-mcdonalds-among-... | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The median salary in the US is $43k for the latest year I see data (2023). Median salary in the Netherlands and Germany was €44-48k or ~$50-55k. We might make half as much (rather less for me actually) because of our specific industry, but that's not generally true. | | | |
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| ▲ | ambicapter an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What does that matter when cost of living is commensurately expensive? |
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| ▲ | irishcoffee an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| It seems a little bit cherry-picked that you selected an article about people on food stamps and federal aid during a global pandemic, which saw absolutely massive amounts of people lose their jobs. Doesn’t feel objective. |