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tw600040 an hour ago

Someone who won't have that $433 has no business even thinking about a 1200$ phone in the first place

dzonga an hour ago | parent | next [-]

you overestimate the financial health of most Americans.

most people live on credit cards as bridge finance between paychecks. when I mean most people - I mean 50% of the population.

Aurornis 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The median US household has a net worth of $200,000. Even a 50th percentile US household is very wealthy by global standards.

Credit card statistics are heavily manipulated because it's easy to make them sound terrible. I don't know which factoid specifically you're referring to, but the studies about "X percent of Americans couldn't handle an emergency expense without putting it on a credit card" often use tricks like including anyone who would pay by credit card if they could. I remember reading some of these studies and realizing that I would have been included in the statistic because I prefer to use a credit card where I can, even though I pay it off before interest accrues.

cronin101 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Net worth or net income? Being 40yo with only 200k of worth between two when you’re halfway through your working life and have had 10y of appreciation of assets isn’t very much to go forward with.

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gruez an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>when I mean most people - I mean 50% of the population.

That's not really applicable because:

1. the study is for an "unexpected" expense. This you can see from 2 years away

2. The wording in the study was something along the lines of "would have to dip into savings", not that they literally don't have any money for it. The fed's survey of consumer finances shows the median household has between 7-13k (depending whether you're counting median income or median wealth) in their checking accounts

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/chart...

paxys 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not sure what you are trying to argue.

Should people be more financially responsible? Yes

Are they today? No

In a rational world payday loans, predatory auto loans, BNPL, perpetually rolling credit card debt etc would not need to exist. Yet these sectors are rapidly growing and companies in it are thriving.

gruez 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

>Not sure what you are trying to argue.

I'm saying the specific claim of "most people live on credit cards as bridge finance between paychecks. when I mean most people - I mean 50% of the population" is false.

Zambyte 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

There are phones that cost a lot less though. 50% of Americans being unable to afford iPhones doesn't mean they should just lease them. People need to stop associating so much personal sense of worth with their handheld computer.

- written on my S10

oniony 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Crazy you had such a pertinent message written on your S10.

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paxys an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Have you met…America?

PunchyHamster an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

wait till you see what people do with car payments

Zambyte 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Selling my car that I fully owned in favor of a nice bicycle and an e-scooter was one of my best financial decisions in the last few years.

I don't have to deal with insurance, parking (if parking is free by you, it shouldn't be), maintenance (I work on them myself, I just pay for cheap parts), and fuel is effectively free. That's all on top of the car payment for people who haven't paid off their car.