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What about the abolitionists among the signers of the Declaration?

I don't want to get into a whole thing about the founding fathers and American mythology. Yes, they had some pretty good ideas that have withstood the test of time. They also had some pretty f'ing bad ideas that we had to change.

So some comment about the founding fathers rolling over in their graves about what America has become is complete nonsense.

	▲	bastardoperator 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Executive war making, overgrown militaries, debt, party politics, concentrated power, corporate power, and foreign entanglement. The framers did not invision America in its current state, to state otherwise would be nonsense because we can just read the words they wrote.
	▲	colordrops 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		What is your point? The original comment was really just a wry statement about the extreme level of corruption and ineffectiveness of the US government. Sounds like you find the current situation to be A-OK?