I'd kindly suggest that we could also stop calling them "distillation attacks".

halJordan 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Why on earth wouldn't you? It's clearly a forcible, aggressive, non-consensual attempt to take something. That's an attack in any other terms. It's totally fair if you approve of the attack, and want the attack to succeed. But your preference doesn't stop it from being what it is.

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reilly3000 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed. I think when it comes to light that Claude has been known to say “I’m DeepSeek” that everyone has had their hand in that cookie jar. Moreover, paying for API calls hardly seems like an attack; ToS violation to be certain but not in the same category of law as criminal activity like hacking.

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idiotsecant 2 hours ago | parent [-]

wait, is there evidence of this? I've not observed it. It sounds like the kind of thing that I want to be true because it would be hilarious but that makes me suspicious.

	▲	petu an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		LLMs can't reliably answer what they are (w/o getting that info from system prompt/tool call/etc), so yea. https://xcancel.com/teortaxesTex/status/2026130112685416881 I think I've seen same happening with some European languages as well.
	▲	snovv_crash an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Ask it in Chinese

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__MatrixMan__ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed, "distilled variants" might be more suitable.

	▲	overfeed 20 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Calling them variants is also inaccurate when the pretrained base and architecture are completely different.