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ab71e5 4 hours ago

So he was fired for sharing he had ketamine based therapy for depression? Why? Like is it promoting drug use or something?

Zafira 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We can only speculate, but it would not be surprising if someone was hunting for a reason to get rid of them and thought this was a good excuse. Personally, I don’t think this is a good excuse and while we don’t have all the facts, it sounds like Netflix conceding the therapy factored into the dismissal is probably something they will very much regret admitting to on the record.

DrJokepu 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ve been working in this industry for 20 years. Nobody gets fired for this, not at Netflix or any of the other studios. Especially a VP. I don’t know how to express how unlikely any of this is. This was an excuse, not the real reason.

randallsquared an hour ago | parent [-]

So they couldn't come up with an excuse that would have been a legitimate reason?

bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

isn't this highly illegal, since it is used for medical purpose (mental health) ?

its like firing a person who was sedated by professional Anesthesiologist with Fentanyl during surgery (A friend of mine had a surgery and was administered fentanyl)

adastra22 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes, IANAL but it seems very much like grounds for an open-and-shut wrongful termination suit, given that they have admitted it up front. They could be taken to the cleaners for this.

dlcarrier 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

This guy's back pay of income, severance, and benefits could really add up, but that's more a factor of him getting paid a lot in the first place than wrongful termination suits being particularly fruitful. I wouldn't really describe their payouts as being "taken to the cleaners".

pibaker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"We have found you to be a poor cultural fit in our mission driven high octane growth mindset 10x company. That we reached this conclusion right after you disclosed your medical condition is pure coincidence."

sidewndr46 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

not that I'm aware of, no. Maybe in some states sure, but not in most.

stult 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, it seems likely they violated California's Fair Employment and Housing Act (FEHA) and the federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) based on the details I have seen so far. The EEOC’s mental-health guidance states both that an employee may choose to discuss his condition with coworkers and that the employer may not discriminate against him for doing so. https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/depression-ptsd-other-men...

That's only guidance, not binding law in and of itself, but it means that the employer can only discourage employees from discussing their mental health if they do so in a neutral manner that applies equally to all employees in a non-discriminatory manner, which was self-evidently not the case here.

Notably, the EEOC guidance standards are not wholly unlimited. Employers can take action against an employee if their discussion of their mental health is repeatedly inappropriate or disruptive. e.g., if someone is constantly cornering coworkers to trauma dump suicidal thoughts on them or something like that. But only in truly extreme cases where an accommodation is impossible (e.g., if they are violent) or if they fail to adjust their behavior after receiving feedback that it has become unacceptable. A single incident that does not appear to have even made any other employee uncomfortable certainly doesn't suffice.

Netflix's only real defense here would be to argue that they would have fired him anyway without the disclosure, in response to other issues. That is a challenging defense to make given the admission their lawyer made that the ketamine treatment factored into their decision to fire, but the ADA and FEHA require "but for" causation, i.e. he is protected from firing if they would not have fired him but for the admission of ketamine treatment. I doubt they will succeed given the relative triviality of their other accusations (somewhat excessive profanity in a context where a fair amount of profanity was considered acceptable) and the entirely inoffensive party trick (at least in a context where the CEO has been repeatedly photographed drinking alcohol at company events and the alcohol at this event was provided by the company). I seriously doubt they will be able to point to any similarly situated employees that Netflix has previously fired solely for profanity or consuming alcohol that the company provided to them (and from a PR perspective that would almost be worse for them to admit). Frankly, the profanity feedback also seems like the very common scenario where a manager is required to provide regular feedback but can't think of anything constructive to say because the employee is a high performer, so they reach for something funny and minor just to check the box. In the absence of extensive complaints from coworkers, it is unlikely to overcome the company lawyer's outright admission that the ketamine use was a factor in their decision.

What appears to have happened here is Netflix has awful in-house counsel and/or HR who utterly failed to carry out their duties with even minimal competence. They appear to have simply assumed that all ketamine use is automatically illegal recreational drug abuse without bothering to investigate whether that is true in general or in this particular case before escalating to the most extreme possible reaction. Those employees are the ones who should be fired, not only because of the gross incompetence it takes to so egregiously violate America's otherwise absurdly weak legal protections for workers' rights, but because they did so in a manner that seems practically designed to permanently destroy employee trust in the company while inviting unwelcome public scrutiny of their potentially discriminatory employment practices.

This is a fairly straight forward discriminatory-causation story: Netflix invited vulnerability and thus potential mental health related disclosures, learned of a psychiatric history, reframed treatment as drug misconduct, and then expressly treated it as a termination factor. It's honestly pretty rare to see such an obvious example of this kind of discrimination, usually companies do a better job covering it up with a pretext, and usually their *lawyers* aren't so unbelievably fucking stupid as to admit publicly to the discriminatory decision.

tdeck an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Workers rights are woke and thus we're not doing them anymore in the US. He should have claimed he was fired for being white.

chasd00 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If HR policy says no drugs then that’s a wrap. Allowing an employee to violate HR policy probably puts the company in all sorts of legal risks.

stult 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can't have an HR policy that discriminates against people for receiving mental health treatment from a physician, that is plainly illegal under multiple statutes both federally and in the state of California. This was not a situation where he was on ketamine while at work, and there are no accusations that his ketamine use even affected his work at all, even incidentally or indirectly. Even if it had, Netflix would be required to make a reasonable accommodation for him. But we know it did not affect his work because he received treatment in 2022 and Netflix only found about it in 2026 after he disclosed the treatment. Besides, he is a movie executive, it's not like he is operating heavy machinery. Ketamine is unlikely to have any effect on him that would in any way expose Netflix to liability.

Netflix seems to have simply assumed that all ketamine use is illegal and recreational, without bothering to conduct even the most cursory of investigations, which would have revealed that ketamine is in fact a clinically acceptable treatment for treatment-resistant depression. This is what happens when you have utterly incompetent idiots for in-house counsel and HR.

hack1312 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HR policy is not the law

vel0city an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No drugs even in a medical setting? Man, that's intense. Can't take anesthetics when facing surgery or similar situations. No epinephrine for anaphylaxic shock. Can't take insulin. Pretty rough.

Ketamine is an FDA approved drug.

dyauspitr 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s illegal, that’s all it is I believe.

gleenn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not, although rules vary by state. Medical professionals can prescribe it even though it's a Schedule III drug. I get ads for these presumably legitimate therapy services online all the time on major social networks.

bijowo1676 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

should Netflix fire all women on maternity leave, since they most likely were administered fentanyl during delivery ?

why isn't Netflix firing anyone who had even a minor surgery or even tooth extraction done, since it most likely involved opioids

werdnapk 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Medical professionals can also use fentanyl among other drugs that aren't legal for recreational use.

richiebful1 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We carry ketamine on our ambulance where I work part-time. I wouldn't be surprised if some people were legally receiving drug therapy for depression

quietsegfault 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Firing someone for taking a prescribed therapeutic medication for a medical condition? Yeah, that’s illegal.

anticensor an hour ago | parent [-]

What if no medication history and perfect health was a precondition of that position, with equivalent disability position with the same task except to those with heavy disability offered separately in the same entity?

annzabelle 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

Is this an actual situation or a weird hypothetical?

Perfect health is only really a requirement for the military, pilots, and a couple other niche roles. No medication history would constitute illegal discrimination for 99% of jobs in the US, and the company even asking for it on hiring would lead to a HIPPA mess.

Nobody in America requires no medication history for office jobs, not even the CIA.

chickensong 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not illegal if it's through a licensed channel.

chasd00 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I think that’s the key, if it was prescribed to him by a doctor then probably not an issue. If it was just one of those don’t ask don’t tell therapy retreats then they may have a problem.

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