wouldn't stop AI companies from continuing to develop using their current infrastructure.

the West could retaliate by halting shipments of photoresist and other materials to China.

meanwhile, Intel second-sources Nvidia and starts pumping out GPUs.

the economic fallout would be devastating as trade wars and export bans on both sides make Trump's "Liberation Day" tariffs look like NAFTA.

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chrismsimpson 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The rest of the world would likely side with China. The export ban on Fable wasn’t even extended to five eyes countries.

US is going to find itself isolated and irrelevant. And not a moment too soon.

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matheusmoreira 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I do wonder what the world will look like under a chinese hegemony though...

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marcus_holmes 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

China is very inward-looking, though. It's not really interested in world domination in the same sense that Europe was or even the USA was/is.

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nativeit 2 hours ago | parent [-]

China has been aggressively developing infrastructure and financial services all over Africa and the rest of Asia.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106866

	▲	fnord77 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		resource extraction stealth colonialism

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a34729t 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

better dim sum, hopefully. the local chinese food is a crime against gastronomy.

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chrismsimpson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You’re already seeing it. Strategic bilateralism.

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petre an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Keep an eye on Central Asia and Pakistan then? They are heavily infuenced by China.

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verdverm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We are moving from unipolar hegemony to multipolar. There will be upwards of a dozen poles in time

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matheusmoreira 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Doubt. China is clearly on a level of its own compared to virtually every other country out there other than the USA.

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verdverm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I find it unlikely to be a duoply of hegemony for long, some countries to watch are Germany, Japan, India, Nigeria, and Brazil. You could broaden the geography to continents were I expect major players to emerge on each.

We are only a few decades since the "end of history" and much has changed. What do things look like beyond 2050?

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matheusmoreira 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Brazil

Brazil is basically the world's soy farm. It's at least half a century behind the times. I still have no idea how it managed to insert itself into the BRICS economic block. The notion that it's on the same level as China, India or Russia is just comical.

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verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Brazil is basically the world's soy farm

To reduce a culture and country like this comes off as bigotry

In example, Brazil has the #3 airplane producer in the world

Or consider why the US is doing all it can to prevent their payment system from becoming widely used?

I was intentional about putting the perspective in the future over today as the poles of the world are evolving

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owebmaster an hour ago | parent [-]

OP is one of many Brazilians that hates Brazil, which ironically is the reason why the country historically can't grow to its full potential

	▲	verdverm 43 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		s/bigotry/fatalism/ ? (in the same sense of colloquial usage with Russians)

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TheArcane 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

certainly better than this one. Look at Africa under western neocolonialism vs China's infrastructure loans

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thesmtsolver2 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone from India and someone who knows people from Tibet, Chinese hegemony will be much much worse.

There is no HN equivalent in China where users advocate that US hegemony will be better.

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alightsoul 2 hours ago | parent [-]

On the other hand, India is enemies with China and Tibet is a highly oppressed region. I wonder what the average Chinese in china thinks.

	▲	ido 24 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		The average German in Nazi Germany probably didnt think the Nazis were too bad either (of course the average citizen wasn't Jewish, gay, communist or other undesirables). That the average Chinese think things are “just fine” doesn’t mean they are.

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lenerdenator 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And that's going just swimmingly [0]

[0] https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/world/chinese-manager-beats... (possibly NSFW, I can't see the video in my browser but be warned)

	▲	vhantz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There is no good imperialist power, there is no capitalism with a human face, there will never be. The UK murdered millions in India, Ireland and all around the world in their time. The US did the same. The only reason China isn't openly doing the same right now is because they are still the underdog and they still need cordiality to get through the door, just like the UK and the US did in their time. The solution is to rid the world of imperialism and capitalism as a whole. As long as there is a profit motive running through everything, international relations will be in the form of wars (military or economic). Only under socialism can the people of the world truly pool their resources together to build up instead of destroying each other.

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greekrich92 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No worse than under US hegemony

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thesmtsolver2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Much much worse: see Tibet or Hong Kong

	▲	owebmaster an hour ago \| parent [-]
		How is Hong Kong worse than say, Puerto Rico?

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verdverm 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> the West could retaliate by halting shipments of

China quickly retaliated last time by stopping shipments of rare earths and magnets. The West has no answer for this, really up the river without a paddle for such critical supply chain elements.

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0cf8612b2e1e 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I was led to believe that the US does have internal sources of these, but they are largely undeveloped. For years the processing could not economically compete with China so shutdown.

Which is to say, given internal subsidies, the US could eventually produce some on its own.

Unless I misunderstood the situation.

	▲	verdverm 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I believe we both share this understanding, the problems are 1. China controls ~90% today 2. The US will find it difficult to build out because of how dirty and environmentally damaging mining and processing are. I did see some research last week about a better way to process rare earths, but it is still research and will need to be industrialized. Regardless, it will take many years (decade+?) to become self sufficient and China is already willing to and increasingly restricting them