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wodenokoto 2 hours ago

> why would you clean them when you're about to sell the house?

So they look good and the potential buyer sees something that looks to be in good condition and working well.

Archelaos an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would generalise this a little: The problem with buying a complex item is information inequality. The seller knows more about it than the potential buyer. When inspecting the item, the buyer therefore looks for signs of hidden defects or for evidence that the item is in good condition overall. In this way, cleanliness becomes a proxy for the general condition of the object. Similar mechanisms are at work elsewhere too. Take job applications, for example. A sloppy application is a red flag, even if the applicant’s references are excellent.

delusional 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly the same reason you should probably clean the rest of the house when you're selling it.

Theoretically, the price of the house before cleaning should be equal to the value if the house after cleaning, minus whatever the cleaning costs. In reality, you'll get much less for your house without cleaning it, because human emotions.

delichon an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We had a contractor doing repairs before we sold our house. Without being asked he took an orbital sander to the wooden hand railings along the stairs to the front door and said "people really notice this".

A family came for the tour and before walking in the father put his hand on the rail, looked up at the house, and said "this place seems well maintained". Then they bought the house after a small pleasant (for us) bidding war.

The contractor earned his high rate and then some.

pton_xd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> because human emotions.

If I tour a house with pet urine stains all over the carpet, it's only logical to conclude that the owner is likely not maintaining the rest of the house to a very high standard.

harrall an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s not just emotions, it’s a sign that, when presented with something annoying that you should do but not strictly required, it shows that you pushed through and did it anyway.

It doesn’t prove that you’ve been generally on top of things for the lifetime of the house but the inverse situation where you couldn’t clean one time for guests sure doesn’t.

austinl an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having recently bought a house, I love thinking about things that increase perceived value relative to cost (more so because they're nice to have, not because we plan to sell any time soon).

A few things we changed right away: - new mailbox (replacing a rusted 30+ year old one) - lots of landscaping work (the majority of which I can do myself) - installed a wine fridge (I always felt it gave the sense that the kitchen was upgraded when we were touring places) - replaced old door knobs with modern matte black levers; ~$50 each

The house was built in 1968, so it's been interesting to think about all of the small things that make it feel dated that can be changed for not much money.

dlubarov an hour ago | parent [-]

To add a few more: it's similarly easy to swap cabinet handles, vent covers, outlet wall plates. Fresh caulk is nice too, even if it's a bit sloppy, still beats stained or cracked caulk.

skippyfish an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not just emotions, it's also a matter of time and uncertainty.

I was in a buying situation where my old lease was expiring soon, I had a second kid on the way, and the last thing I'd have wanted is to buy a place where I'd have contractors milling around for weeks or months to make various repairs. I was willing to pay a hefty premium for a place that's in a move-in condition.

I don't think this extends to "you'll get $10k less if you don't vacuum", but it's a common courtesy on a million-dollar transaction to maybe not leave a mess.

gchamonlive an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In reality, you'll get much less for your house without cleaning it, because human emotions.

It's trust, because if the previous owners can't even bother cleaning it up, what else might their neglect have done to the house? Do you need to change the house wiring, maybe verify if any new paint job is hiding mold or infiltration... All that is the cost of uncertainty and uncertainty grows with distrust.

longitudinal93 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This simple procedure increases the selling price of everything. Just a fact.

BurningFrog an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's perfectly rational to assume someone who didn't bother to clean the house before selling probably didn't take good care of the house in other, less visible ways.

paytonjjones an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People often confuse "irrational" with "rational on inference given incomplete information"

This is the latter.

See also: stereotype accuracy

kevincox an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

See also why houses are often painted when being staged for selling just so that the new purchaser can paint immediately after with their preferred colour. Wasteful but it works.

Onavo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Also you don't need anything fancy when washing them, their surface is just glass.

engineer_22 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree. Doesn't matter what you sell, you will get a higher price if it is cleaned and tidy when presented to the market - because the kinds of people who pay higher prices are looking for clean and tidy things.

namdnay 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> because the kinds of people who pay higher prices are looking for clean and tidy things.

I'd say it's also "because the kind of people who clean and tidy things also maintain them"

wongarsu 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Exactly. "Is it clean and tidy right now" is a decent proxy for "Has this been properly taken care of in the past"

Obviously it's not infallible. But even if the owner only cleaned their stuff now that they are selling it that still tells you they are the type of person to take action where it's beneficial

DharmaPolice an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I think it's more of a negative indicator. It's like turning up to a job interview wearing dirty clothes - unless you're a savant it's probably indicative that you don't give a shit or have some sort of other problems in life. But wearing clean clothes doesn't give you points because it's assumed to be the norm in that setting.

dd8601fn an hour ago | parent [-]

Right. Clean house on the market means almost nothing.

Gross house means almost certainly not maintained.

williamdclt 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> "Is it clean and tidy right now" is a decent proxy for "Has this been properly taken care of in the past"

I don't think so, esp at selling time, I definitely expect that the owner has just made it look pristine. But the opposite is definitely true: if you can't even bother making it look clean and tidy when trying to sell, I'm pretty sure you've not taken care of it in the past!

jjice 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely. On the other side, if you can't even bother to clean it before you sell it, I have no reason to believe you've put any effort in maintaining it.

Cleaning in general is also usually a core part of maintaining something. Dirt and grime lead to wear and tear.

throw0101d 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

See also "staging":

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_staging

saagarjha 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why is it written like that lmao

Nzen an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Wikipedia is written by various people, but likely someone with interest in a given topic. One or more realtors probably wrote or edited this post.

Actually, the history of edits shows that this is contested territory where people regularly remove what they term as spam links. So, while a disinterested editor might remove a link to a listicle about how to stage your home, they might leave in the breathless tone as harmless. The drive by editors probably feel that they have no more time to rewrite it than we do, given that they watch over many articles, not just this one.

blitzar an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Its been "staged"

aaron695 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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