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levanlevi 5 hours ago

is it retail or hype driven - that's the question

feverzsj 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's driven by the supreme leader's grand plan, like everything else there.

VulgarExigency 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Seems to be working out better than leaving it up to the market

pingou 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Why does the US stock market keep having record years while the population doesn't seem to benefit, whereas the opposite is happening in China? Isn't that a failure of US capitalism?

bawana 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The population in china is falling off a cliff....low birth rates, collapsing property prices (the main vehicle for personal investment), slowing ecconomy.

thephyber 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What do you mean why?

This memory stock popping on IPO has nothing to do with how well/bad capitalism provides in the USA. This is entirely about Chinese investors speculating on this company's ability to grow and undercut some Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron. Nobody knows on IPO day if a company will grow into the expectations of the investors.

And China's population mostly invested in Evergrande real estate, not stocks. Lots of workers in the US are at least invested in the stock market via their 401k/IRA, but the same isn't true of Chinese workers.

Also worth reiterating that most US stocks aren't doing great. The top 10 by market cap keep dragging the indexes into growth, but success is heavily biased towards the monster caps.

pingou 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

In the US, shareholders get rich while regular people get left behind (or stagnate). In China, shareholders returns seem quite bad, and standards of living seem to actually improve. Granted, China started from a much lower point, which makes rapid growth a lot easier.

Tade0 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is the latter part actually true in this decade or just "face"?

levanlevi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

imo, every form of country order has a tipping point from where it starts deteriorating at record speed - cannot tell exactly what comes after ultimate capitalism but I think it's hitting peak points

VulgarExigency 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not a failure, that's just how capitalism works.

expedition32 20 minutes ago | parent [-]

You're supposed to redistribute the money to the poor. That's what FDR did and was later copied by European socialists.

wasfgwp an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Except the CCP seems perfectly fine with with allowing (semi) private companies to compete and innovate freely and it has worked out quite well for them..