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halJordan 2 days ago

I, for one, appreciate the honesty. I wish more systemd haters would admit this is why they dislike it. We could finally throw away the tired arguments that have been disproven in the past ten years

TacticalCoder a day ago | parent [-]

> We could finally throw away the tired arguments that have been disproven in the past ten years ...

Here's one you cannot disprove: the Jian Tan XZ backdoor did not affect Linux distro that weren't using systemd.

I know, I know, it's got absolutely nothing to do with systemd.

We're talking about something insane like upstream OpenSSH being modified to add systemd logs "log compression" to freaking OpenSSH (yay security, makes perfect sense!).

So disprove this: not a single Linux systemd-less distro was affected by an attempt to place a worldwide backdoor on Linux systems exposing a SSH port.

P.S: I moved all my infra to VMs that are systemd-free and containers, by default, do not run systemd as PID 1 (they don't run it at all). It works flawlessly. I'll now move my hypervisors to FreeBSD+bhyve and I'll be, at long last, totally systemd-free again (I was using Linux before "systemd-I-compress-logs-so-I-make-you-modify-OpenSSH-to-add-liblzma-dependency" came on the scene with it's its Windows-style .INI files and these were much better days).