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SubiculumCode an hour ago

I want to replace my Lithium home battery, and what I really want to do it to move to one of the new sodium ion batteries..e.g like the one CATL is supposed to have at some point?

Anyone have a good idea when these will be available for consumers?

syntaxing 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Bluetti has a small battery pack for now. I think the options for consumers will balloon once CATL mass produce sodium ion cells. Solix/anker, jackery, ecoflow, etc all use CATL cells already.

cyberax 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Na-Ion batteries are not practical for home storage right now. They have a much higher voltage range compared to LFP batteries, so regular inverters and chargers will not work reliably. Nothing insurmountable, but the supply chain is just not here.

Na-Ion cells are great for grid-scale storage because they potentially can go down to something like $20 per kWh. But bulk LFP cells are already at ~$60 per kWh, so their cost is not really a deciding factor anymore.

XorNot an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why would you replace it? That asset likely has at least 10 years in it if you already have it.

syntaxing 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Probably operating temperature and safety.

rapsey 42 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why? You also need to replace your inverter in that case.

hunterpayne 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Hopefully never. If they ever do, it means the local government truly doesn't care about you anymore.

Na is basically Li times 30. This is good in that they make really effective batteries. This is bad in that when the battery malfunctions, the energy is released at 30x the rate. So remember when that Telsa caught fire and the driver walked away very scared but ok. If those were Na-ion, they wouldn't be ok...or alive...or recognizable as human. Basically, these are far too dangerous for consumer use. And any grid scale battery will need about a mile of gravel around them to prevent any fires or deaths from explosions.

chewbacha 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Pretty that’s just not true.

Sodium ion batteries are less energy dense than lithium ion and are not prone to dendrite formation. They are also more thermally stable and less likely to do thermal run away reactions.

Also, since they are less energy dense they don’t store the same potential energy.

You are probably thinking of metallic sodium batteries which are completely different.

rcxdude 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What? All the data suggests that sodium ion batteries are safer than lithium ion batteries: it is harder to set them into thermal runaway and they are less violent when they do so.

xbmcuser 29 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What bullshit are you spouting sodium batteries are safer and do not have the same thermal runway concern that lithium batteries do.