> Honestly imo this is just proof apple will win in the end. Eventually a phone will be able to run a model good enough to do most things and it then is game over.

I don't see how these are related.

The accuracy and capabilities of your model are directly related to its size. You need a lot of memory for that.

It will be decades before we get enough useful memory in a phone form factor at a price point people can afford it before something like a frontier model now is useful on the phone.

Now, you can run some models on your phone today.

Either way, Apple is using Google today. That could change, but Google isn't exactly getting out of the TPU business and they've been doing it a long time.

Also, some of you live in a very weird Apple bubble. Apple is not so relevant outside the US.

If it wasn’t for the current memory fiasco, Apple would be even closer to providing a solution on the desktop that is affordable for most (Hacker News participants) who want to run a large model locally at reasonable cost, which will happen within the next 3 to 5 years easy with the way software and hardware are progressing, the main-frame future for most people that use computers isn’t coming back so OpenAI and Anthropic and other frontier developers are going to be disappointed and will have to shift gears ala’ Meta, Microsoft?

The United States if it dares to (I think they will try) but isn’t going to be able to stuff AI models back into the bottle open source is the future and when it comes to AI models yes you’ll be able to customize it to your specifications locally but the genie is out of the bottle. The bull out of the barn and is running down the road.

If United States insist on trying to lock the doors, censor, sanction, the rest of the world will just design and engineer around the United States. Trying to put up a wall, will damaged the United States more particularly with the current performance of Taco. None of the other countries are going to follow the United States not with the current administration they will hedge their bets.

Apple, is using Google now but that will change because the world is probably going down the open path, it’s looking like there was no real rush and no reason to spend so much money on something that’s going to be a commodity in the end, the only hold up is hardware and if it wasn’t for this current memory fiasco, many more people would have access to the hardware that they need to run models locally.