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daedrdev a day ago

This is because our glorious government makes it illegal to build housing. Japan doesnt force anything, their private companies built tons of housing because there is profit to be made and its not illegal without years of reviews, insane taxes, bribes to various orgs, etc.

Your policy doesn’t even work in CA, new housing is absurdly expensive to build and the profits aren't even high.

mschuster91 a day ago | parent [-]

> Japan doesnt force anything, their private companies built tons of housing because there is profit to be made and its not illegal without years of reviews, insane taxes, bribes to various orgs, etc.

Now, would you want to live in a country with conditions so absurd that "hikikomori" and micro apartments [1] are a thing?

> “A lot of younger people these days don’t have many possessions, unlike older generations – they have a few items of clothing and not that much money, so these apartments are ideal for them,” said Nakama, whose 1,500 micro-apartments have an occupancy rate of 98%.

Yeah fuck that shit. That's just exploitation, and no wonder the few young people that Japan has end up with all sort of mental health issues, no partners and a birthrate near zero. Nothing to own because there's nowhere to store something you own, not enough space to even invite another person over, much less have sex.

Cram me into such an "apartment", I'd go and search for a gun to off myself.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/you-could-cook...

infecto a day ago | parent | next [-]

Why use suicidal hyperbole. It’s low class along with the language.

I don’t know if what you stated is enough evidence to prove much of anything either. Just because building housing is cheap and quick in Japan does not mean it needs to be small.

mschuster91 a day ago | parent [-]

> Just because building housing is cheap and quick in Japan does not mean it needs to be small.

The thing is, cheap housing comes at a cost. Housing barely qualifying as more than "a roof over the head" is the most efficient use under capitalism... but as usual with capitalism, the second-order effects / externalities (most importantly, the collapsed birth rartes) aren't priced in. Unfortunately, for Japan's society it may already be too late to turn around.

And even more unfortunately, here in the Western countries we are headed to repeating the mistakes Japan has already shown.

derektank a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>Now, would you want to live in a country with conditions so absurd that "hikikomori" and micro apartments [1] are a thing?

If it meant I could cut my rental or mortgage bill in half, absolutely. People have different preferences, not everyone needs or wants the same amount of space.

daedrdev a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Japan’s work life balance, and their housing regulations are only slightly related and I’d say almost completely unrelated

mschuster91 a day ago | parent [-]

> and I’d say almost completely unrelated

To the contrary, IMHO. When you have to stay at the office until the boss leaves... you don't need a large apartment, you won't have much free time to enjoy it anyway.

The excessive amount of both fake and real work makes such horribly insane housing practices possible in the first place - if people had more free time, they'd go nuts from being cooped up.