| ▲ | iambenm 8 hours ago |
| India is pretty serious about being able to monitor all communications after the terror attacks in Mumbai in 2008. The terrorists used satellite phones to coordinate the attack. As a result, they banned most satellite communication devices. I learned about this earlier this year because I had a connecting flight through India on the way to go trekking in the Himalayas. I had planned to take a Garmin inReach with me, but luckily a day or two before my flight out I came across horror stories of people getting pulled out of security and taken to JAIL in India for having these things in their checked bags when TRANSITING India. Security there when transiting from Switzerland to Nepal was no joke - every single electronic item including anything with wires had to come out of bags including electric toothbrush. In light of that, banning point to point communication seems on brand for India. Note that Apple gets a pass for its satellite capable phones by geofencing India and disabling the feature. |
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| ▲ | m463 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Japan has no trash cans. (reaction to the japanese subway attacks) Returning to the US from japan you notice. Japanese bathrooms don't have trash cans, so no paper towels. In the US, the bathrooms have trash cans overflowing with paper towel waste and it is quite a difference. |
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| ▲ | bhelkey 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | One thing I noticed is that I tended to accumulate a lot of trash in Japan. Connivence stores were plentiful and the food was tasty, but it was all wrapped in plastic. Where does all the trash go? More often than not, I ended up carrying trash in a backpack to throw away at my hotel. | | |
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| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They are self-DoSing. Whatever you want to get banned, just make sure you some terrorists use it, and it will get banned. Want to ban, say, hijabs, or long pants? Have some terrorists wear them to cover their identities. |
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| ▲ | adityaathalye 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The terrorists were only able to do so because mass-media news was live broadcasting everything on the air, and the terrorists holed up with hostages in the hotel were able to follow the blow-by-blow live. (edit: i.e. SatCom alone can't do much, if there is no verifiable on-ground intel. And in 2008, our mass-media supplied it in liberal quantities, through multiple camera angles and replays and blow-by-blow commentaries.) cf. Westpoint's Urban Warfare Project Case Study #16: Mumbai Terrorist Attacks: https://mwi.westpoint.edu/urban-warfare-project-case-study-1... > Maintaining communications with their handlers in Pakistan was critical for several reasons. First, the handlers were monitoring live Indian news broadcasts and social media feeds, so they could provide real-time instructions throughout the operation and thus afford the attackers the ability to react to developments outside their targets. > The communication also provided the attackers psychological support. > The handlers were able to encourage the young, inexperienced militants to maintain their resolve and continue killing civilians and security forces by reinforcing their religious and financial motivations. > During the operation, the handlers actively coached some of the attackers to continue shooting civilians and to hold positions against Indian security force responders. |
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| ▲ | logicchains 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Indian government is pretty serious about cracking down violently on peaceful protesters: https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/07/23/india-excessive-force-us... |
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| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One of the formative narratives of Indian independence is that peaceful protest works in getting rid of bad governments. on edit: changed myths to narratives to avoid confusion | | |
| ▲ | paxys 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s funny because the Indian independence movement was a failure. Indians protested non-violently and sometimes violently for over a hundred years, and British control (first through the East India company and then directly by the crown) kept increasing with every passing year, eventually encompassing the entire subcontinent. India eventually gained independence because colonialism in general was not politically and economically viable in a post WW2 world, and so Britain just got up and left (as they did from dozens of other colonies in the post war years). Had the independence movement not existed and Gandhi himself not existed the end result would have been exactly the same. | | |
| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the political non-viability was at least partly due to the combination of non-violence and the potential threat of violence, as I am of the opinion that the first never works without a threat of the second. | |
| ▲ | anon291 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | People greatly misunderstand the Indian independence movement. The early Indian activists merely wanted India to have a devolved legislature like present-day Scotland and Wales, or like Canada and Australia used to have. It was relatively late that anyone really wanted independence. I think many of them still wanted to be a constituent state of the UK. People always forget that Gandhi's first actions as a 'nationalist' were attempting to raise an army to fight on behalf of Britain. The idea that the Indian nationalists wanted to be a new nation from the get go is a modern day invention. | | |
| ▲ | paxys 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Call it freedom or independence or autonomy or dominion or whatever else you want, it doesn’t change the underlying point. Indians wanted it, and Britain denied it. In fact they denied it quite emphatically and violently. Eventually the outcome was decided by geopolitical realities, not a bunch of people shouting slogans. | | |
| ▲ | anon291 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Britain did not deny it and was actively working towards allowing self-rule in India the entire time. You seem to be saying that Britain denied India independence while at the same time saying Britain allowed an independent India. The two views are fundamentally at odds. |
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| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | arguably the American colonies wanted the same thing. What is it with these colonizers that they don't want that!? | | |
| ▲ | anon291 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It is simply not true to the same degree. The American colonies believed the King of England had violated their rights as Englishmen, Indian independence activists simply wanted Indians to have the same rights as other citizens of the UK and subjects of the British crown. The Indian independence movement started as a mirror of the Irish self-rule movement. | | |
| ▲ | somenameforme 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The 'Americans' felt that they were being treated as second class citizens with no meaningful political representation on their behalf. Hence rallying cries like 'no taxation without representation' which originated, at least in modern times, in Ireland. | | |
| ▲ | anon291 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The difference is that American colonials could return to England and have representation, while Indians could not, so no there is a distinct difference in what was being asked for. |
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| ▲ | bryanrasmussen 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | hardly anything is ever true to the same degree, and so saying something is simply not true to the same degree seems oxymoronic, in that if it is not true to the same degree implies that it is somewhat true to a lesser degree. |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So far the Modi clique is still in power though. |
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| ▲ | 2Gkashmiri 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | https://indianexpress.com/article/india/anantnag-terror-atta... BBC says 3000 but yeah. https://www.outlookindia.com/national/2-terrorists-family-ho... So the houses of 2 accused were razed because..... |
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| ▲ | shevy-java 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't trust the Modi clique one second. |
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| ▲ | neonstatic 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I had a connecting flight through India I make additional effort to never experience that again. Connecting flight through Mumbai. An absolutely awful experience. |
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| ▲ | ranger_danger 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So what happens if you have a flight that gets diverted to India and they search your bags and find a satellite phone? |
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| ▲ | iamnothere 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Believe it or not, straight to jail. | | |
| ▲ | vsviridov 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | We have the best doctors in the world. Because of jail. | | |
| ▲ | el_io 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think I missed the joke here. Can you please elaborate? | | |
| ▲ | Dansvidania 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think it’s from parks and recs. but the quote was “we have the best patients in the world. Because of jail. “ Search “parks and recs straight to jail” | | | |
| ▲ | folkrav 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s a “Parks and Recreations” reference. |
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| ▲ | actionfromafar 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You jail them so they can't leave? :-D | | |
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| ▲ | hdgvhicv 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you have a reputable link? | | | |
| ▲ | realo 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | krupan 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Are there any countries NOT on this blacklist? | |
| ▲ | brightball 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are there any instances of the US sending a tourist to jail in another country? | | |
| ▲ | sourweasel 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not exactly. There have been cases where tourists were denied entry and faced extended detention but they were held in U.S. facilities before being returned to their home countries. There have been cases of incoming immigrants sent to foreign prisons without charges or trial. In March 2025 the U.S. administration flew 238 Venezuelan migrants from Texas directly to the "Terrorism Confinement Center" in El Salvador. The group included asylum seekers with active court cases, individuals who had entered the U.S. legally, and recent border crossers. The administration labeled them members of the "Tren de Aragua" gang to justify the move. | |
| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Weren't some of the German tourists last year sent to an ICE camp in Mexico? | | |
| ▲ | jolmg an hour ago | parent [-] | | Why would there be an ICE camp in Mexico? Maybe you read "New Mexico", the US state. | | |
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| ▲ | morkalork 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Ages ago there was a Russian citizen they wanted who was flying to the Caribbean. His flight had a surprise landing in Florida with the FBI waiting on the tarmac. | | |
| ▲ | hdgvhicv 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Belarus the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryanair_Flight_4978 Flying over a country does not make you immune to that country’s laws. | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You know, this wasn’t always the state of things. This is a choice we’ve made. Frankly, temporary transit through a nation’s airspace (while onboard a commercial jet that you don’t control) shouldn’t subject you to their legal jurisdiction. Shall we revoke the concept of diplomatic immunity next? Close the embassies? We seem to be unlearning all the hard lessons of the past. It’s not going to end well. |
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| ▲ | dmoy 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Notably, he was kept in the US, not sent to prison in another country? |
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| ▲ | philipallstar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, I don't think so. There's a set of people who consume media that deliberately and consistently conflates "immigrant" and "illegal immigrant", and they just can't disambiguate what happens to one from what happens to the other. | | |
| ▲ | realo 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But what to do with an "illegal immigrant" who has been living in the country for 30 years (and PAID TAXES!) , had 4 kids and a perfectly normal , productive life? Do you separate them from their kids, and send the bunch to a prison? That is insane. Because from what we hear about ICE, that is exactly what is happening... when they don't just kill them outright. | | |
| ▲ | mindslight 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | It might be enlightening for some to look at what happens to someone who builds a house on land they don't own, and then lives there for 30 years. It's a pretty well established body of law. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Last year ICE was deporting legal tourists. |
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| ▲ | cucumber3732842 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Over the years a bunch of biathlon competitors have had various flavors of a bad time in NYC despite complying with the federal level stuff they're supposed to and that the state NY is supposed to honor. IDK if any of them have gone to actual jail for very long though. |
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| ▲ | inigyou 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Same thing that happens whenever your flight gets diverted to South Korea and you have condoms, or Indonesia and you have legal weed, or to Australia and you have a pineapple. Which is that it depends on the mood of the person in charge. Either you get to keep it, or it's confiscated and destroyed, or you go to jail, or you go to a firing squad. We can guess which is more likely in each country. Indonesia almost always executes people found with drugs. Australia would probably just destroy your pineapple. India, being authoritarian but not completely insane, my guess is they'd take it and fine you. | | |
| ▲ | manytimesaway 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >your flight gets diverted to South Korea and you have condoms ..what? Condoms are not outlawed there, are they? | | |
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| ▲ | mothballed 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm aware of stories of people who've had their flights unexpectedly grounded in New York (, New York) so they just abandoned their checked pistol and refused to collect it. I'd imagine something similar. If you never take possession, it becomes harder to charge and convict someone for possession. | |
| ▲ | izacus 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The poster you're answering to just described what happens. | | |
| ▲ | Barbing 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not for diversions necessarily. Diversion versus expected connection should at least help one’s lawyers… hopefully. | | |
| ▲ | delecti 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lawyers can get you out of jail, but you need to be pretty rich for your lawyers to prevent going to jail in the first place. | | | |
| ▲ | 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [deleted] | |
| ▲ | izacus 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | When you're standing at the customs office entering a country, your lawyers are far far FAR away and the people talking to you won't care about them even a little bit. Whatever will happen with you lawyering and fighting the border officers, will happen after you've been detained. |
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| ▲ | anon291 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I disagree with the Modi and Hindutva project almost entirely, not only politically, but on a personal level coming from a minority community (Christian) in India. However, India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. India rarely agresses Pakistan and Pakistani terror groups do operate with seeming impunity in India (Pakistan doesn't even maintain a 'no-first-use' nuclear option, and is currently run by a military dictatorship... they're f'ing nuts). While all these actions are obviously crazy and in my opinion overbearing, people in the West don't understand how awful radical Islam is, especially of the South Asian variety. I'm not sure many Americans would react differently to the extremism of South Asian Islam to be honest. To put it in perspective, many Indians (of all religions) died and fought in a bloody war to secure Bangladesh's (then East Pakistan's) freedom from what was a genocidal regime in West Pakistan. Decades later, the typical Bangladeshi muslim still hates Indians because any non-muslim Indian they consider 'Hindu', thus polytheist, and thus worthy of death. One thousand five hundred Indian soldiers died only for their neighbor to hate them in return for the 'crime' of not being born part of their religion. While Hindu nationalists are fucking insane, I honestly think many have been driven to it by the insanity of South Asian Islam. Meanwhile, America has a relatively peaceful and cooperative neighbor (Mexico), which only has a crime problem on the border, and the average American seems ready to give up almost every civic right to deal with that. There are barely any terror attacks of note coming from these Mexican gangs, and congress has already ceded many constitutional rights (such as the right against unreasonable search and seizure) near the border zones. Anyway, imagine Mexicans hated everyone in America for the crime of being 'gringos' (even the non-whites) and that's basically what India has with all their neighbors. If people in the west want India to liberalize, which we really should want to do, Western nations need to work on dismantling Pakistan and limiting Islamic extremism in the region. |
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| ▲ | epestr 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Largely uncited and generalised exposition of Bangladeshi's misses other factors which could be involved in their decision towards distrust of India. India's initial decisions need not be merely humanitarian but also political. https://scroll.in/article/1081784/why-are-bangladeshis-turni.... This article explains that it's due to an increasingly unequal interactions as sowing distrust. Explaining the Hindutva moment as a genuine counter reaction to anti-Hindu sentiment rather than a politically motivated movement seems to be misguided, even if not actively propogating the propaganda. | | |
| ▲ | anon291 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Largely uncited and generalised exposition of Bangladeshi's misses other factors which could be involved in their decision towards distrust of India. It's reasonable to distrust a neighboring country with distinct interest, even if they went to war for you, sure. You don't owe them anything. Similarly, it's actually also normal for India to have concerns about illegal migration, similar to Europe, America, Australia, and Canada. But the propaganda coming out of Bangladesh is purely religious in form, and it's pretty clear that that is the main reason why they dislike India. Pakistan literally slaughtered them and they're all bhai-bhai with them now. The article cites the CAA as a reason for Bangladeshi distrust, except the data show that India is acting as a humanitarian in this disaster. Non-muslims are physically persecuted in both Bangladesh and Pakistan. Pakistan particularly is an apartheid state where non-Muslims have fewer political rights. Bangladesh is slightly better but violence against non-Muslims is rampant. People like to paint India as having high rates of religious violence, which is true, compared to America, but not true compared to Pakistan or Bangladesh. Pakistan regularly executes Christians for blasphemy. India doesn't. Non-Muslim refugees should qualify for extra protection from secular nations given the on-the-ground realities of South Asia. Literally the cited reason for the creation of Pakistan is that South Asian muslims constitute a distinct nation from every other religion in the subcontinent. Neither the Jews nor the Parsis nor the Christians ever made such an argument. Well regardless, countries cannot get angry over other countries making immigration policy (and yes, this also applies to Indian migrants to America, blah blah blah) > Explaining the Hindutva moment as a genuine counter reaction to anti-Hindu sentiment rather than a politically motivated movement seems to be misguided, even if not actively propogating the propaganda. If you read about the history of Savarkar, then I think this is exactly what you see. He was kind of meh about everything until he witnessed anti-Hindu extremism from Muslims, and then went off his rocker. Before that, he was a relatively benign nationalist and humanitarian. Well anyway, more to the point of it really being just the Muslims, Savarkar was defended by an Indian Christian barrister. Are you an American or South Asian, out of curiosity? I feel like Americans don't really have the ability translate South Asian politics. Not that I'm some expert, but I can report personal on-the-ground experiences. | | |
| ▲ | hamper653 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > a relatively benign nationalist Are you a European, out of curiosity? I feel like South Asians don’t really have the ability to translate European history. Not that I’m some expert, but we can report good on-the-ground experiences about "relatively benign nationalism" and where it leads. | |
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| ▲ | hamper653 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > India is in what basically amounts to a perpetual state of war with Pakistan and has always been this way. You mean, since India and Pakistan were invented 79 years ago? |
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