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rebelde 4 hours ago

Hetzner is very efficient hosting servers

Will this be the new division of labor?

Americans - best proprietary models

Chinese - best open weight models

Europeans - best / most efficient inference service

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andsoitis 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We need frontier open weight models from the West.

Maybe Nvidia's Nemotron can get there.

https://research.nvidia.com/labs/nemotron/Nemotron-3-Ultra/

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9dev 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There is no "West" anymore, at least not in the sense it was used in the last 50–70 years. There is now Europe/Canada/Australia on the one side, and the USA as an adversary on the other, and that won't change in the foreseeable time.

What we need is frontier open weight models in the EU, Canada, and Australia.

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slashdev 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Give it two years more then it changes again.

	▲	9dev an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It won't. That's the point many people don't seem to get: The people who wanted everything that is happening now don't just go away. There is no guarantee they won't vote for a narcissistic grifter again, and thus any long-term decisions building on mutual trust and stability can't be made. How could you justify investing into a factory that relies on a 20 year ROI window when tariffs could be changing every day? Why would you want to use an AI model that could be restricted to US citizens or taken away entirely without notice? Big, slow wheels have turned everywhere around the world. They won't turn back so easily.

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ForHackernews 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

why?

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andsoitis 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Reasons include, but are not limited to:

a) broad competition is good

b) jurisdiction diversification (you don't want to be dependent on the regulatory winds of a single jurisdiction)

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ForHackernews 3 hours ago | parent [-]

...but you're not dependent on anyone?

If I'm running a Kimi model on my local cluster, the CCP can't shut it off.

It's not like the Finnish government has veto power over Linux.

	▲	andsoitis 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You're not necessarily wrong for now, but that framing might be too narrow. It is not beyond imagination that a government can limit availability to future frontier versions of the open weight models produced within their jurisdiction. It pays to be a little paranoid and have a diversified portfolio of options to choose from. Anything that can have major geopolitical consequence is especially susceptible to such structural risk. This has nothing to do with any particular government/country/jurisdiction except insofar as said country is a leading power and hence has immense leverage across a very wide range of dimensions. Said more plainly, it is safe to assume that a country with immense power is unlikely to be willing to cede or distribute such power to others. If you're hung up on my choice of "the West", consider that I mean it geopolitically and economically, so broadly includes North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and South Korea. I could have also said the Global South, but I think it is a fair statement that none of those countries have the means, but I'd be totally cool and happy if I'm proven wrong!

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frangonf 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I read that data centers in Frankfurt use 40% of city energy, and seems that some fossil fuel based workarounds are being pushed. I hope we do better than the US in the energy and data center gold rush.