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Striving7340 4 hours ago

ATProto and its advocates increasingly sound like all the crypto-based decentralized platforms that failed. The difference is that crypto people actually had reasons to run nodes, they got paid to, while ATProto expects enthusiasts to do so for the love of the game or act like bluesky and have 99% of the "decentralized" platform on a centralized node.

It never catches on with application developers because it requires you to already worship the protocol and build around it.

FatFingers23 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I came out to have a good time and I’m honestly feeling so attacked right now

andunie 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think anyone ever got paid to "run nodes".

LoganDark 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think what they're talking about is like how bitcoin miners get paid in bitcoin for mining

pfraze 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

We don't even get paid to be in this cult, that's how organic it is

polymer8563 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You do get paid, you're the CTO of Bluesky, are you not?

Striving7340 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apologies if "worship" came across as calling you a cult, but it doesn't seem that you took what I said too seriously either. Good luck on ATProto, certainly don't want to deal with this kind of replies from you or Dan every time criticism or concerns come up, maybe once the protocol leaves BlueSky, but let me guess, it's planned for some point in the far future like every other concern?

polymer8563 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Seriously, the entire separation of Bluesky from ATProto not happening is my main reason for not trusting it at all. You can't have a protocol owned by a for-profit entity and seriously call it "open"

steveklabnik 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

https://atproto.com/blog/kicking-off-the-atp-working-group

https://docs.bsky.app/blog/plc-directory-org

verdverm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

the cultiness is why I left crypto and atproto, it plagues many great ideas by creating in and out groups around opinions on the right way to do things

pfraze 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You remain, as ever, a heretic in the wilderness

verdverm 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm not sure why you always feel the need to attempt to troll me personally on HN like this. Last time you did, HN flagged your reply. We do not have to agree, but we can be civil. For HN reader context, Paul (Bsky CTO) and I have discussed the protocol and permission system IRL and have different visions.

My sense it that microblogging platforms like X/Bluesky condition people to discourse in ways online they would not in the physical world, though I have encountered online behaviors manifesting in the real world in recent years. ymmv, I have left them all completely and have a much better mental state since.

pfraze 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You replied to me, man

verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I did not author it as a personal attack though, apologies if it came through it that way.