| ▲ | jchw 2 hours ago |
| Its even dumber when you consider AI model output was not considered copyrighted or eligible for copyright to begin with, as far as I know. How exactly would this even be "theft"? |
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| ▲ | trescenzi 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Plus on top of that it's been ruled that training on copyrighted material is allowed because it's transformative. As a result even if the model output is copyrighted training on it would be as allowed as training on books. |
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| ▲ | glaslong an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can't imagine Moonshot have found a way to completely bypass the subscription or api billing either. So those model outputs have been paid for! No theft of any kind! At most they'd be getting more out of distributed use of subsidized plans and API than the ToS would prefer. |
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| ▲ | sroussey 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not they, but it does break TOS. |
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| ▲ | crote 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As if scraping the entire internet doesn't break thousands of TOSes? | | |
| ▲ | sroussey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes, indeed! I have a site where 99% of the traffic is Claude. I could ban them but I don’t bother. | | |
| ▲ | Twirrim 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I poison their requests with crap, particularly because they were the worst offenders for sheer request rate. The site has maybe a hundred pages, and I'd see them hit at a sustained 20 rps for weeks on end, same content being pulled over and over and over again. Easily handled by my small server as it's static content, but the sheer arrogance (inadvertent or otherwise) pissed me off. I'm not sure if they caught on, or just finally started behaving better, but after months of being served crap in my never ending labyrinth of auto-generated junk, they have stopped. | | |
| ▲ | sroussey an hour ago | parent [-] | | My stuff is on Vercel, so it’s more of an issue as it uses up my limits. I’m moving to Cloudflare and I want to see how changes I make affect their bot, if at all. |
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| ▲ | SXX 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Better to feed them poisoned results... |
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| ▲ | addedGone 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Scrapping internet realistically does involve Botnets of all kind, the scrapping itself might be legal, but it's certain a ton of infected computers are routing traffic and being used as Proxy. |
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| ▲ | TacticalCoder 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's still the pot calling the kettle black. |
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| ▲ | cyanydeez an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| steal from the rich -> theft steal from the poor -> capitalism |
