Yes, publishers should opt out of Google. Everyone has a right to be forgotten.

Okay, apart from that snarky retort, what discovery mechanism are they going to use to drive people to their human-generated slop?

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watwut 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Google is not discovery mechanism for them anymore. They amount to free labor for Google. Basically, there are two futures: a.) they do free labor for google without being discoverable through them b.) they are not discoverable on google without providing free data to google.

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rickydroll 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Good points. On item B. In the natural experiment of AI getting between the information consumer and the information provider, it appears that even providing free data to Google, they're still not discoverable. What is the alternative mechanism for discovery? Do they flood the world with even more advertising as a way of forcing discovery onto consumers?

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watwut 12 hours ago | parent [-]

I am not publisher, I dont know or see where the things are going. Personally, I realized I am not using google like I used to anyway, stuff I actually use comes from a recommemdation on a blog I already follow, podcast or something. Kind of unintentional old school way, because google returns less relevant results.

In both a. and b., they are not discoverable through google. So, not provinding free labor makes sense. Either they find a new channel or stop publishing ... but if they are NOT on google, people may end up lookin for stuff elsewhere. If they are on google, they are guaranteed to not find them

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rickydroll 11 hours ago | parent [-]

Those are good examples of serendipitous discovery. But what if you have a targeted need? For example, how to drive a woodchuck away from your yard before it causes more damage, how do you know when DIY solutions are not working, and it's time to call a professional? What's a good environment for ever-bearing strawberries? You know, asking for a friend.

	▲	watwut 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Imo, we will kind of regress. If it was described in previous materials, llm will output it reasonably reliably. If it was not in the old data, it will tell you some bullshit. And you will have to hope serendipitous discovery will get you there anyway. I like the era of open internet where people who knew stuff had blogs you could find and read. That era ended when google started to require a lot of SEO to just find things. It will be over and that is it.