| ▲ | embedding-shape 13 hours ago |
| The point of regulation in Europe is usually to protect people. Regulation in the US seems to be done with the purpose of protection companies. I'm not 100% sure, but this feels non-ideal for most people. |
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| ▲ | Sharlin 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| To take the point further, the US still protects people. It's just that the people tend to exclusively inhabit the top 0.1% or 0.01% quantiles. |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | More like the top ~35%, but it's taboo to talk about that. | | |
| ▲ | aeve890 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | What do you mean ~35% ? | | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I mean if you cut out the bottom 65% and the top 1% (but perhaps even top 5%) of americans, you are left with a group of generally affluent people who are the actual backbone of the US economy. These people work white collar career jobs, own houses, own stocks, have retirement on track, college debt paid off or soon to be, good health insurance, go on vacations, drive new(ish) cars, let their instagram impulse buying get a bit out of control sometimes, maybe they work from home or are hybrid, and they mostly all go out and vote. These people are the antithesis of "America is a Shithole", and they know it, so they keep their head down and point at the top 1% like everyone else. It's virtuous and pure to do so (and of course keeps the heat off them, the wealthiest contingent). If you isolate this group and compare them globally, it spells out why for decades so many white collar workers wanted to be in the US rather than Europe or the East. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > If you isolate this group and compare them globally, it spells out why for decades so many white collar workers wanted to be in the US rather than Europe or the East. Given it sounds like you've already done this, care to share the results you got? When I meet peers from the US, it still seems like things are more rough there, regardless of class, compared to in other countries, but this is of course based on my personal experience, would love to see concrete data about it. | |
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| ▲ | baxtr 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You mean like Chat Control 2.0, by which ordinary people are targeted and politicians are exempt? |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many examples of when this is not seemingly the goal, hence the "usually". Some people suck, everywhere, and sometimes they end up with power to enact things, this happens everywhere, Europe is probably no better. Hopefully the institutions we've built up and continue to build, are more resilient when the future real tests come though, so far they haven't really been put under real stress. | |
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| ▲ | nradov 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Please explain how making it difficult to start a business and hire employees protects people. I've never understood that logic but maybe I'm missing something. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 13 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The goal isn't "making it difficult to start a business", the goal is to protect people, meaning things affecting the public are more controlled, slower and more bureaucratic to initiate. The slowness is a feature and there really isn't any "difficulty" in starting a business, it just takes time to fill out papers and wait for approvals and what not. | | |
| ▲ | amarka 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | "the slowness is a feature" - I grew up in eastern block of Europe in the 80-90s, this type of sentiment has a real "the party loves you, this is for your own good" vibe. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Difference in opinion isn't authoritarianism or means you live a dictatorship. Slowness is actually a feature in lots of societies, for example in Spain where I live, for better or worse. Your comment gives of a "so you hate waffles?" vibe. |
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| ▲ | nolok 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's very simple to start a business, and it's even simpler to hire people. It is hard to fire employee, especially when the company is doing good, yes. It is a bit slow and administratively annoying to start a business in some countries, yes, though in those you can usually start operating while starting AND there are workarounds which is why there isn't enough pressure to stop it (eg, the german "pre made company shell" market is how you actually do it instead of making your own). | | |
| ▲ | Degorath 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Depending on the country, it's not even that difficult to fire in the EU... (e.g. Estonia and Poland) |
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| ▲ | invalidusernam3 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What regulations specifically do you find make it hard for you to start a business or hire people? | |
| ▲ | paxys 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Go live a few months as an average middle class person in Western Europe and then do the same in the US. You can argue in favor of US superiority based on GDP and stock market and number of billionaires a hundred other similar metrics, but looking at basic happiness and quality of life there’s really no comparison. Europeans value maximizing family, community, physical and mental health, leisure time, hobbies, culture, and so their laws and policies are written in that way. | | |
| ▲ | ceuk 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think about this a lot as someone living in the north of England (in a nice town and quite well off) maybe ignorance is bliss but I just don't know how life could get much better, but then I guess some Japanese person living a prosperous life in a nice community might feel the same about where they live (and might not rate the type of life I lead) so I guess it's subjective.. As I said I think idly about this a lot because when you feel like you've found a sort of eudaimonia you want to share it. But whilst personally, I feel like I won life's lottery being in the place and time I am, but that doesn't mean it's the one true way. Wherever people are, I hope it's the right place for them personally | |
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| ▲ | nradov 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nah. I've spent enough time in Western Europe to know that's total BS. It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there. |
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| ▲ | bad_haircut72 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeh all I wanna do I hire a few employees, raise some capital and put my AI nudifier out into the hands of German schoolkids, but damn EU regulators just wants to keep the little guy down I guess |
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