Safari is the only real opposition to Google based browsers at the moment. Yes Firefox is a contender, but it has no brand traction among non-power users. Google has the brand, Safari has the defaults and energy efficiencies of the growing Apple laptop/desktop market. Although not open source, I trust it far more that a Google based browser as Apple - aside from PWAs competing with their App Store - has no real incentive to commodify, restrict or surveil the web like Google does.

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owebmaster an hour ago | parent [-]

> aside from PWAs competing with their App Store

Yeah. Aside. Let's just ignore that Apple intentionally prevents users from using the browsers most needed feature for the common user today killing it just like they killed Flash.

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leejoramo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

On macOS i use Safari for PWAs. It is just fine.

But I use Firefox as my primary browser. PWA support non-existent. They killed their basic PWA support many years ago. There are suggestions they will support it in the future.

On Linux/Windows, I use Brave for PWAs.

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nozzlegear an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Intentionally how? Mobile Safari has pretty broad support for PWAs: https://pwascore.com

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owebmaster an hour ago | parent [-]

It does not. It doesn't support the installprompt event and hides the "add to home screen" behind 4 actions/clicks to make sure the users don't easily install PWAs.

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nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-]

So one missing thing is enough to decide that PWA support isn't broad and Apple doesn't care about them, despite all those supported PWA APIs?

> behind 4 actions/clicks to make sure the users don't easily install PWAs.

I maintain a PWA for retainer client. Our website has a paragraph telling users how to install the PWA via the share button. We'd have a paragraph telling them how to install it from the App Store too if it weren't a PWA.

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owebmaster 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

One missing thing? You think Apple forgot to implement the install event? Or that there is some technical reason?

	▲	nozzlegear 14 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		No, I'm asking if that's the one thing you're hung up on? I feel like that was obvious.

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dylan604 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think the fact that the paragraph is necessary is the damning part

	▲	nozzlegear an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Like I said, we'd have that paragraph even if the app was on the App Store. If it's damning, then it only damns the users because they're goldfish.