deleted comment - I will never learn to ignore this kinda thing (referring to GP comment).

It's difficult to not get defensive when you put a lot of work into something and you receive what you feel are very unfair / unjustified comments.

Of course like anyone, when I do a substantial launch on HN I do tell friends. Most probably the referenced comments came from one of my friends trying to be helpful, but I don't actually know that - I have no idea who the account is in fact.

But I feel (perhaps wrongly) an accusatory tone in the very deliberate pointing out of this, and I just don't understand what is trying to be acheived. If you look at my submission history, comment history, and account age here I think one could probably assume good intentions and treat my submissions here with grace and benefit of the doubt.

But anyway, I regret making the original defensive comment and have re-learned the lesson to not do this as it just detracts from the quality of discourse. My bad.

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all2 a day ago | parent [-]

Not what GP was going for, I think. They called out a green user with a very specific comment history and made no comment about this submission.

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argee 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would say GP is in the wrong, based on their explanation. I think this type of thing is not okay. (The "I told my friends and they made a comment innocently"). You're basically causing activity that goes against the spirit of HN and these users have clearly not bothered to read the guidelines, and then you're washing your hands off of this, even though you directly caused it.

Look at this thread for example. [0] I'm sure it's a case of the same phenomenon. What are these people adding to the discussion!?

Sure, it's not a big deal. Refusing to acknowledge that it's annoying or that it happened because of you is just weird, though. It's not even a good look for your post, anyway, and HN has even gone so far as to penalize posts for direct-link upvoting, so they very clearly don't want this and you probably had to explain some kind of shady workaround to your friends if you still ended up on the front page.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28541598

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davnicwil 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Having reflected on this I agree with you.

Yes, it's annoying, and blame does lie with me for it happening because I did let friends know about the launches for this on HN, and the comments that come from that are entirely predictable.

Actually it's annoying on a deeper level for me too: I've realised through the referenced comment links that I thought the account in question was an actual user on the original launch post, where I responded to them with an enthusiastic thanks, but in fact it wasn't real positive feedback just one of my friends trying to help. Which is nice, but not very useful for me. I still don't know which friend this is, by the way :-D

Overall I learned for future to just not do this again at all. It just doesn't help on these launch posts anyway, the amount of interest they need to actually get on the front page and stay there is way above what just a handful of friends upvoting or commenting can do for you. When it happens it always happens because people find the actual thing interesting, so there's no point trying to induce that if it doesn't exist. But it's so easy to feel like you want to do everything possible to help get something out there that, as the parent says in a downstream comment, you've poured your heart and soul into.

And you're right, ultimately it's against the spirit of HN and not how we want this place to work. I'm a long time member of this community, it's my favourite place on the internet to be honest, I want to see its standards maintained, and should be doing my best to do that.

	▲	argee 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Overall I learned for future to just not do this again at all. It just doesn't help on these launch posts anyway, the amount of interest they need to actually get on the front page and stay there is way above what just a handful of friends upvoting or commenting can do for you. There's also weighting in effect, not all upvotes are the same (upvotes from the same IP don't count at all, and upvotes from long-time accounts — like yours? — count extra). I'd imagine upvotes from new accounts barely count, if at all.

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davnicwil a day ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed, you are probably right. My bad and I deleted my initial defensive riposte.

	▲	all2 a day ago \| parent [-]
		You're good, man. I get it. Your heart and soul goes into a thing and the only comment you get is 'hey, look at these other posts with this suspicious user activity'. Nothing about your work. I've had to deal with this in various areas of my life. I can't say I have a good solution.