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jdw64 3 hours ago

But I do think you can't enjoy life if you don't work. Pain is the seasoning of life. Of course, my life is full of seasoning and nothing else. Both pain and pleasure are necessary. It's just that there's only pain right now, which is the problem. If AI could just handle the economic activities for me so I could have a little bit of 'pleasure,' that would be great. I just want to do the programming I actually enjoy

inanutshellus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Oof. Pain may well be the "seasoning of life" but work is not pain.

Work is the thing that helps one lift society up.

We're all connected beings and one's occupation is how we each contribute to that society. The idea that it's something we suffer through in order to eat is a crummy reversal of the idea of having purpose.

It doesn't matter if one is selling toilets or scrubbing them, each of us is still keeping civilization in motion; giving it life.

Don't enjoy your occupation? Go back to school. Can't afford school? Hunt down people you respect and figure out how to work with or for them.

BoxOfRain 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

This sounds a lot like the Protestant work ethic where toil, no matter how futile, has moral value in and of itself. I envy people who see the world that way to be honest, but breaking your back for an entity who'd lay you off in an instant is alienating and that alienation can be a form of pain.

Personally for me it's almost entirely the 'stick' that keeps me participating at the rate I do rather than the 'carrot', I work primarily because I need to eat and pay my bills as well as the things I actually want to do; this is true of anyone who isn't a rentier. A purpose for sure but hardly an existentially satisfying one. Maybe it's a post-2008 aftermath thing but to me and many others the liberal market economy isn't exactly seen as a wonderous engine of opportunity, rather it's an eternally hungry predator that chases us 24/7 and you must run at least a little faster than the next poor sod to avoid being eaten by it.

If I had rentier money I'd drop traditional 9-5 employment immediately, it wouldn't even be something I had to consider for a few days. I'd dedicate my time to composing music, to writing, to my own projects, I'd certainly volunteer a lot for various causes too.

blackqueeriroh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“Work” is not the same as “job that your ability to live is dependent on.”

I can do a lot of work and contribute to society without having a job. In fact, that’s how I think it should be for everyone.

No jobs. Universal income. People doing things they love.

jdw64 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hmm, I've also worked with professors (from top Korean universities). them hiring me and me getting a degree from them are different things.

Well, I don't believe that just because you work hard, you'll always succeed. Most people just see me as a subordinate worker. Of course, if you come from a wealthy family, it's probably different.

jdw64 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Of course. Apart from tight deadlines and the damages I'd have to pay if I fail, the work itself is enjoyable

throw1234567891 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

As in, you just want to go back to your comfort zone and not face the realities of life.

jdw64 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't want to have a staring contest with reality.