| > It's Windows Update that's installing LG crapware upon seeing relevant hardware IDs This is also a misrepresentation. Microsoft has provided LG with a certificate to sign its driver packages with, and allows LG to upload packages to Windows Update, which includes a feature to install sidecar applications. Now, the spirit of this feature is that any application is meant to provide genuine configuration functionality or some graphical front end to the driver's configuration knobs. LG then abused that feature to provide adware. Now, there are millions of hardware vendors. One can't expect that every driver package submission from every vendor is thoroughly vetted every time, this is a matter of trust and respect. Sometimes one actually wants the app that comes with the device, like AMD's and NVIDIA's configuration trays. Even so, I fully expect that after this debacle MS will disable this stuff. There is precedent for this. Synaptics/ELAN/Alps touchpad tray applications largely disappeared after MS implemented precision touchpads somewhere in 2015, and suddenly Windows touchpads became as precise as those on Macs. Likewise with RGB peripherals. Even GPU driver applications have increasingly become less useful as the most important features—power control, adaptive sync, HDR, etc have moved into native Windows settings. |
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| ▲ | maccard an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I agree with you on the precedent > after MS implemented precision touchpads somewhere in 2015, and suddenly Windows touchpads became as precise as those on Macs. There’s still a world of difference between a MacBook touchpad and a windows one. My work laptop (18 month old dell XPS) can’t hold a candle to my 6 year old MacBook’s trackpad. > Likewise with RGB peripherals. Even GPU driver applications have increasingly become less useful as the most important features—power control, adaptive sync, HDR, etc have moved into native Windows settings. The peripherals still need the addons though; I have ASUS armory crate, Corsair iCue and MSI center for my Motherboard, cooler and GPU respectively. They all suck. | | |
| ▲ | doikor an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > There’s still a world of difference between a MacBook touchpad and a windows one. My work laptop (18 month old dell XPS) can’t hold a candle to my 6 year old MacBook’s trackpad. The latest Dell trackpads are quite bad. Price or the product being premium or not unfortunately does not tell you if it will have a good trackpad or not. And it changes over time (Dell XPS used to have really good trackpads) Basically you have to go to a store and try or find reviews that actually pay attention to this. | |
| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > There’s still a world of difference between a MacBook touchpad and a windows one Oddly I've found otherwise (Dell Precision notebook from 2021, and Surface Laptop). It might be macOS's animations and smoothing interfering here, but I've found that my Windows touchpads are much more responsive, especially when swiping between desktops. > The peripherals still need the addons though Ugh, this is annoying. Hardware vendors need to be banned from writing lousy, inefficient, unsafe software. | | |
| ▲ | maccard 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | On the trackpads - I only ever use my MacBook as a single screen device, so the experience may be different. A long time ago I used it with an external monitor and the experience was very poor compared to windows. > Ugh, this is annoying. Hardware vendors need to be banned from writing lousy, inefficient, unsafe software. Yeah, I commented on the McAfee LG thread but the stuff that comes bundled with hardware is embarassing. I don’t know how Razer, Logitech, nvidia, MSI, asus, etc get away with it. The stuff is awful, even their “good” software. I work in games and a few years ago the biggest correlation we had between unexplained crashes/performance problems in the wild was users having MSI Afterburner installed. Users thought it did great things and fixed a bunch of games but it absolutely thrashed everything we worked very hard to do and caused no end of issues doing so. | | |
| ▲ | chronogram 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | What part of Afterburner caused issues? I have it installed to undervolt an old GPU but not actively running. |
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| ▲ | 21asdffdsa12 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The commercial software landscape more and more reminds me of a civil war torn town. Everyone shooting at everyone, a dark forest through and through | |
| ▲ | denkmoon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I can only imagine the meetings at microsoft HQ where they all sat around a table and crossed their fingers and hoped that vendors would act in the spirit of their design. | |
| ▲ | petesergeant an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > One can't expect that every driver package submission from every vendor is thoroughly vetted every time, this is a matter of trust and respect. Apple seem to do a pretty decent job of just that | | |
| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x an hour ago | parent [-] | | The situation is very different on Macs. Apple control almost the entire hardware stack of the machines that macOS runs on. They make it an absolute pain in the neck to run any application not blessed by attestation. This attestation server is also frequently offline. They've also made it very difficult to write things like filesystem drivers, having completely pulled that functionality from more recent versions of macOS. In fact, if I recall correctly one cannot ship a third-party kext on more recent Macs, especially ARM ones. As such, hackintoshing has basically vanished as a hobby. At least on Windows, the most you get is a scare screen saying 'this app is from an unidentified developer'. I know what I'd rather have. | | |
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