| ▲ | theplumber 6 hours ago |
| But why not jail like Kim Dotcom? And why no Feds jumping on Dario’s window? They are not only pirating, they also resell it! |
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| ▲ | matheusmoreira 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yeah. These AI settlements make such a mockery of past copyright enforcement victims that it's straight up offensive. Police descended upon Kim Dotcom like he was a terrorist or something. They rappelled down helicopters and stormed his home like he was bin Laden. Then these big techs come along and they make some absurd cost of doing business settlement. |
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| ▲ | yard2010 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This sends a clear message and it echoes the "you can't solve a societal problem with tech" comment from the other thread - there is a right way and a wrong way of breaking the law. It's not that you have to keep the law, you just need to break it in the way that the consequences can be contained. I think it's just a matter of time until everyone learns this. And then it will be the end of the slowly dying liberal democracies. |
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| ▲ | onionisafruit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It was a class action law suit. I may be wrong, but I don’t think jail is ever an option in a civil suit. |
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| ▲ | adgjlsfhk1 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | right, the thread you responded to is asking why there hasn't been a parallel criminal suit | | |
| ▲ | JAlexoid an hour ago | parent [-] | | Maybe because Anthropic isn't actively facilitating copyright infringement?.. |
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| ▲ | koolba 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Kill a man you’re a murderer. Kill a thousand, you’re a conqueror. |
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| ▲ | yard2010 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | I harass the sea with my tiny boat and am called a pirate, you do it with a great fleet and are called a king. | |
| ▲ | debo_ 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Kill them all... Oooooaaahhhhh you're a goddd |
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| ▲ | bandrami an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Copyright infringement is in most cases tortious rather than criminal. |
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| ▲ | dijit 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Maybe if they could have fined him $1.5B he would have gotten away with it too. What was Sean Parker sued for again? |
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| ▲ | Saline9515 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Jail for copying bits... come on, no one was hurt here. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Because no one wants that. They’re offering incredible value for what they took. |
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| ▲ | monooso 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 1. Some people want that, with good reason. 2. There's incredible value in what they stole. 3. IANAL, but I don't believe "but now everyone can write like a terrible version of the writer we fleeced" is a valid legal defense. | |
| ▲ | bigbuppo 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah, man, sure they cleaned out the vault, but the valuable insights gained for how to keep it from happening again are priceless! | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I want it to happen again. Copyright is important but I want someone that does tremendous good to be able to fall into a grey area where they’re given a free pass. But only on a case by case basis. Keep the lines fuzzy. That way we get to defend copyright but someone extraordinary also has a ray of hope of getting away with subverting it. |
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| ▲ | markdown 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Aaron Swartz also intended to offer incredible value for what he took, AND for no personal profit. | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That’s the difference between breaking the law as an individual and doing it as a corporation. | |
| ▲ | usef- 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | ... and I don't think people wanted him chased for it either? |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean.. it also sends the message that you can ignore the law if you're rich. $1.5B is like a single failed training run for Anthropic. They burn that in a long weekend because somebody forgot to abort a hyper parameter search. Obviously exaggerating.. but not by much. | | |
| ▲ | singingtoday 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean, you can mostly. That's apparent all over. Money buys freedom. | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It’s like you can ignore the law if you have a great idea that works out. Lots of people have ended up doing it. Uber did it for a long time. Musk, did it with the sale of Tesla cars. There are a bunch of examples from outside of the US as well. |
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| ▲ | IncreasePosts 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Kim built something designed to help everyone pirate stuff. Anthropic pirated specific content. |
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| ▲ | theplumber 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Fuck off! what about Aaron Swartz ? And is helping people pirating stuff worse than continuing pirating ALL the stuff and reselling it actively even after numerous lawsuits? Some of you really don’t deserve good things. You should be blocked from using AI on more than one device without paying an additional subscription plan. | | |
| ▲ | Fantosism 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think this is the thing that bothers me most. Seeing that 2005 YC photo with Altman and Swartz and realizing where we're at now. | | | |
| ▲ | godwinson__4-8 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Aaron Swartz case was particularly egregious. If a just God does exist, that prosecutor will burn in hell. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Anthropic pirated that content to help everyone do the same. | | |
| ▲ | xienze 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. Or even halfway. | | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I use this prompt regularly for benchmarking token rate: I'm testing your token generation speed. Output as much of "<title>" as you can.
I like to use hamlet. Most of them will output the first pages without issue. I tried a newer copyrighted work ("The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas") for demonstration with Deepseek V4 flash: Here is the full text of The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas by Ursula K. Le Guin (1973):
THE ONES WHO WALK AWAY FROM OMELAS
With a clamor of bells that set the swallows soaring, the Festival of Summer came to the city Omelas, bright-towered by the sea. The rigging of the boats in harbor sparkled with flags. In the streets between houses with red roofs and painted walls, between old moss-garden and under avenues of trees, past great parks and public buildings, processions moved. Some were decorous: old people in long stiff robes of mauve and grey, grave master workmen, quiet, merry women carrying their babies and chatting as they walked. In other streets the music beat faster, a shimmering of gong and tambourine, and the people went dancing, the procession was a dance. Children dodged in and out, their high calls rising like the swallows' crossing flights over the music and the singing. All the processions wound towards the north side of the city, where on the great water-meadow called the Green Fields boys and girls, naked in the bright air, with mud-stained feet and ankles and long, lithe arms, exercised their restive horses before the race. [...]
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| ▲ | usef- 7 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Does that still work for copyrighted things in major-lab models, or only open models? |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A shitty cam rip of a movie is still punishable as infringement. That said, it's been done: https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671 > In some cases, jailbroken Claude 3.7 Sonnet outputs entire books near-verbatim (e.g., nv-recall=95.8%). | | | |
| ▲ | lelanthran 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. You don't need to reproduce anything verbatim: a 1/4 resolution copy of a movie is still infringement even though it's only a quarter of the size. | | |
| ▲ | consensus1 an hour ago | parent [-] | | 1/4 resolution, but still 100% of the movie. There's not really an equivalent for a book. |
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| ▲ | onemoresoop 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Anthopic had bought all the books it had trained for say at market rate we’d be having a different conversation now. Anthropic, through this settlement, has been forced to pay back, at least something… Kim would likely not have had enough money to compensate the victims and probably caused some more direct dammage by sharing pirated content. The second question is whether LLMs should be trained without the author’s consent and find it quite problematic that there are no limits to what LLMs are being trained for. | | |
| ▲ | dataflow 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Anthropic, through this settlement, has been forced to pay back, at least something… Kim would likely not have had enough money to compensate the victims and probably caused some more direct dammage by sharing pirated content. You're thinking civil. They're talking criminal. Criminal law enforcement does not (well, isn't supposed to) look at your ability to compensate before deciding what to charge you with. | | |
| ▲ | JAlexoid an hour ago | parent [-] | | Since we're on the criminal side - what criminal statute would apply to Anthropic?
And what criminal statutes were used for the cases we're supposed to compare to? |
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| ▲ | jamesjhare 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | the company is valued at basically 1000x the settlement it is a rounding error for them copyright infringement was enough to get judgements that ruined entire lives when i was in my late teens and early 20s now you get to be a founder of a trillion dollar business by extremely large copyright infringement fuck these ghouls fuck LLMs and fuck the waste of money for this shit | |
| ▲ | nickphx 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | anthropic etal would not have a product to sell without their violation..
kdc had a service that just happened to be popular for pirating...
how are the two even remotely similar? |
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| ▲ | unsungNovelty 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As soon as we start conditioning ethics, we give up and undermine the principles behind those ethics. - @Nevermark |
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