I love how consistently none of us even vaguely consider Grok an actual player

To Grok's credit I think it's fairly good as a creative writing tool because it can be very "spontaneous" and it naturally seems to use an informal style. It also lacks a lot of the words and phrasing Claude and OpenAI get hyper-fixated on.

IDK if this is emergent from being trained on an endless trough of Twitter shitposts but compared to how stiff the rest are, I consider it a feature. I wouldn't use it for anything important though, heh.

	▲	munk-a 21 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Ah creative writing - the domain where AI is failing to actually generate any economic value while absolutely devastating the ways in which people have traditionally found artistic expression.

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airstrafer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The models might be good but the product design, user story, and marketing is so terrible that it’s difficult to see it as more than an also-ran

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noodlescb 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Even that is kind tbh. The company is so poorly run and the leader so controversial that it makes it irresponsible to build anything serious that relies on their products. Other than the rocket part of the business, everything else under the SpaceX umbrella is a nonstarter.

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andsoitis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The company is so poorly run

In what specific ways is the company very poorly run, say compared to a comparable outfit?

	▲	noodlescb an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It's so bizarrely run that it's hard to decide what counts as a "comparable outfit"? It's a Space company crammed together with several deeply unprofitable and embarrassing investment companies the founder bought as a part of a transparent grift to cover his mistakes and his only argument is a vague promise of "data centers in space", after over a decade of promising similarly ambitious things that have never happened. Compared to the other AI companies? It's got even less revenue and product/branding decisions that have it fundamentally incompatible with any of the customers that would result in it becoming a leader. Compared to other companies of similar revenue? That would be like... uh... Carnival Cruises? lol the fact that it has a valuation where it does is only due to corruption and politics. Oh, sorry Carnival Cruises had actual revenue last year, SpaceX was -$1.9B. Maybe I'm just in my media bubble, care to share the experts out there explaining how it's a great company whose valuation makes any sort of sense?

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giancarlostoro 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Starlink arguably is not the rocket part and its the most profitable piece, it held together the rocket side of SpaceX and he expanded research and development.